US Wants To Transform War From Massed Armies To Guerilla Warfare - Page 4

Anon · 08-08-2006, 13:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wraith601

I'm proably going for the 4th Brigade, 25th ID out of Fort Richardson, not many people trying to get posted in Alaska.

Like it's been said, you don't do it for the money.

You're quite wrong there. Alaska is viewed as one the THE top postings in the US Army. Seems that it's awesome there in the spring-summer time.

Me personally, i hated Alaska.

**Officer of Engineers** · 08-08-2006, 13:44 PM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Me personally, i hated Alaska.

What got you, Bill? The cold or the musquittos?

Anon · 08-08-2006, 13:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

What got you, Bill? The cold or the musquittos?

The arctic circle is what got me sir.

10 'days' without daylight........Brrr..........that sucked.

Wraith601 · 08-09-2006, 00:26 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

You're quite wrong there. Alaska is viewed as one the THE top postings in the US Army. Seems that it's awesome there in the spring-summer time.

Me personally, i hated Alaska.

My dad's friend was there for 3 years and loathed it, but being seperated from his son for three years might have explained some of that.

-{SpoonmaN}- · 08-09-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

The arctic circle is what got me sir.

10 'days' without daylight........Brrr..........that sucked.

I think the white nights would be worse but I've never been there so I guess I wouldnt know.

Rifleman · 08-09-2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

You're quite wrong there. Alaska is viewed as one the THE top postings in the US Army. Seems that it's awesome there in the spring-summer time.

U.S. Army postings? There's Vicenza, Italy, and then there's everything else.

Anon · 08-09-2006, 15:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rifleman

U.S. Army postings? There's Vicenza, Italy, and then there's everything else.

I take it you were one of those airborne pukes? I never made it over to Europe, hell, i never made it out of the Western Hemisphere. I guess they save the best assignments for guys with wings upon their chests, hehehehe...

Airborne: Brave...or just gravity propelled?

Rifleman · 08-09-2006, 18:11 PM

Well, not only was I an Airborne "puke," as you say, I also used an M-21 at the old XVIII
Airborne Corps AMTU sniper school at Ft. Bragg before there was ever a DA recognized program at Ft. Benning. That was in the summer of 1985.

Now, don't give me any of that "you went to an advanced marksmanship school" line either. The course was somewhat limited, in that we only had a 600 meter range facility, but a lot of time was devoted to fieldcraft as well as marksmaship.

The school closed it's doors when the DA program started up at Ft. Benning. I later heard that one of the last instructors at the XVIII Airborne Corps AMTU school was also one of the first instructors at Ft. Benning. I seem to remember him as SSG Raitt (sp?), but I might be wrong on that. And he might have been an SFC at Ft. Benning.

Rifleman · 08-09-2006, 23:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Airborne: Brave...or just gravity propelled?

Brave.

Sea Toby · 08-10-2006, 15:50 PM

Beautiful Vicenzia. My father was stationed there for three years, three of my greatest years. Our 56 Ford Fairlane got stuck in a gate around the central city, and had to be blowtorched to be removed. My Dad went to Germany and bought an Opel. It was a great car until we returned to the states where he couldn't find any parts!

We lived in the American compound, the same type of housing many cities built around 1960 for low income housing. While the same housing in many cities became slums, in Italy the housing area resembled a country club. This statement says a lot about public housing in America.

I love Italy, to this day. Its by far the best posting in the US Army.

lemontree · 08-11-2006, 00:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rifleman

Now, don't give me any of that "you went to an advanced marksmanship school" line either.

If I may answer on behalf of Bill, as his name suggests, he was a Sniper, and if one is correct, then snipers do get the most advanced marksmanship training.

Anon · 08-11-2006, 00:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rifleman

Brave.

LOL....welcome aboard from a nasty assed ex-leg.

Anon · 08-11-2006, 00:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

If I may answer on behalf of Bill, as his name suggests, he was a Sniper, and if one is correct, then snipers do get the most advanced marksmanship training.

The truth is that the vast majority of that or any other craft is learnt not in USASS or whatever other course preceeded it, but in actual OJT with your permanent party unit. USASS and all these other schools really just give you the fundamentals. You develop the real skills by actually doing these things at your unit. If he was operating in a sniper role in an airborne unit for any period of time he was no doubt quite adequate to the task, even if airborne guys are too stupid to wait for planes to land before disembarking...

Hehehehehe.

Rifleman · 08-11-2006, 00:49 AM

Lemontree,

I don't think you understood what I meant.

Before the Army had an official sniper program at Ft. Benning some units had in-house sniper schools. The program of instruction and quality varied. Some were full time and some were not.

My first day at the XVIII Airborne Corps AMTU Sniper School at Ft. Bragg the instructors informed us that we were in a five week sniper school, not an advanced marksmanship school. The difference, in the minds of my instructors, was that a true sniper school taught advanced marksmanship, fieldcraft, and employment. In other words you were training to be a manhunter in a military environment.

Some of the in-house "sniper schools" that popped up from time to time taught only advanced marksmanship. A sniper is an advanced marksman but not all advanced marksmen are snipers.

Trucker Mike · 01-12-2007, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxor

To get back to the original topic...... there is no way on earth that the US military wants to transform most conflicts into guerilla type warefare it totally destroys the advantage of overwhelming firepower that the american military has. Sadly the other guy (country) needs to have his army stay around and fight which isn't particularly likely. Most of the countries which could plausably stand a chance or have the ability to inflict heavy casualties on the US military in a conventional armed conflict are either fairly staunch US allies, (NATO nations Austrailia and Israel) or are extremely interdependant on the US (russia, Ukraine{I think they may have joined nato I'd have to look it up} India, China). Special forces troops are not inexpensive and you can't really afford to disband or drastically reduce conventional forces as long as anyone else has some. Besides currently alot of US world power and prestiage is based on that advamtage destroyed by having low intensity conflicts all the time; their military power to anniliate any given nations military at most any time.

The only reason it is destroyed is because for some reason the US populace isn't into the whole idea kill everyone you can find and sow their fields with salt theory of warfare. I personally think this is a problem with the populace of the US projecting their personal desire for love and acceptance onto the country. It makes the US seem rather insecure to the rest of the world. That is fightening as well as the easy by which the US political system allows for fairly broad shifts in policy on an irregular basis which also tends to mystify the more glacial parts of the world when it comes to change.

The Idea of transforming the military to a "guerilla type" military is not just foolish but just plain stupid. Yes there are toubles in the military but nothing that can not be fixed. First and for most, get rid of the BS stress chit. It allows a soldier/marine to be weak and unable to handle stresses that combat can and will happen. Increase the size of the military. I don't mean bring back the draft( it was stupid) but pay the soldiers a fair wage for their services. Train our men and women that they are first and for most a soldier. Yes that means infantry. Change the rules of engagement to allow our men to do what they are trained to do. Kill, maim and injure. Teach small unit tactics and allow the non coms to have freedom to work independently when needed.
Smart bombs are great, Dumb bombs are better. Why you ask, They care not about collateral damage. Yet this is still not enough. Yes our troops need to have better tactics as this is not the battle field they are trained for. This means putting the right Generals in charge where they need to be. Most Generals have been trained for grand land conflicts. Where you have armor, infantry and air power all used in conjunction to battle a equal military. We trained for war against the soviets in my day and many of the full birds are now Generals. This is not what they trained for. Yet we do have Generals who are trained and understand the conflicts of todays warfare. Why have we not deployed them.Simple, Its not politically correct for them to carry on war like that. They are trained kill em all, let God sort em out. Well perhaps this is what we need to do. Terrorist can only succeed when nobody is willing to stand up.

08-09-2006, 18:11 PM	#53 (permalink)
Rifleman *Military Professional* Join Date: 06-29-06 Location: The edge of the gene pool with a jug of Clorox Posts: 207	Well, not only was I an Airborne "puke," as you say, I also used an M-21 at the old XVIII Airborne Corps AMTU sniper school at Ft. Bragg before there was ever a DA recognized program at Ft. Benning. That was in the summer of 1985. Now, don't give me any of that "you went to an advanced marksmanship school" line either. The course was somewhat limited, in that we only had a 600 meter range facility, but a lot of time was devoted to fieldcraft as well as marksmaship. The school closed it's doors when the DA program started up at Ft. Benning. I later heard that one of the last instructors at the XVIII Airborne Corps AMTU school was also one of the first instructors at Ft. Benning. I seem to remember him as SSG Raitt (sp?), but I might be wrong on that. And he might have been an SFC at Ft. Benning. Last edited by Rifleman : 08-10-2006 at 12:18 PM.

08-10-2006, 15:50 PM	#55 (permalink)
Sea Toby Patron Join Date: 01-24-06 Posts: 223	Beautiful Vicenzia. My father was stationed there for three years, three of my greatest years. Our 56 Ford Fairlane got stuck in a gate around the central city, and had to be blowtorched to be removed. My Dad went to Germany and bought an Opel. It was a great car until we returned to the states where he couldn't find any parts! We lived in the American compound, the same type of housing many cities built around 1960 for low income housing. While the same housing in many cities became slums, in Italy the housing area resembled a country club. This statement says a lot about public housing in America. I love Italy, to this day. Its by far the best posting in the US Army. __________________ http://homepage.mac.com/donclark/.Public/waglogo.gif

08-11-2006, 00:49 AM	#59 (permalink)
Rifleman *Military Professional* Join Date: 06-29-06 Location: The edge of the gene pool with a jug of Clorox Posts: 207	Lemontree, I don't think you understood what I meant. Before the Army had an official sniper program at Ft. Benning some units had in-house sniper schools. The program of instruction and quality varied. Some were full time and some were not. My first day at the XVIII Airborne Corps AMTU Sniper School at Ft. Bragg the instructors informed us that we were in a five week sniper school, not an advanced marksmanship school. The difference, in the minds of my instructors, was that a true sniper school taught advanced marksmanship, fieldcraft, and employment. In other words you were training to be a manhunter in a military environment. Some of the in-house "sniper schools" that popped up from time to time taught only advanced marksmanship. A sniper is an advanced marksman but not all advanced marksmen are snipers. Last edited by Rifleman : 08-11-2006 at 00:59 AM.

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