Officer of Engineers

Prior to JTF-II, the Canadian Airborne Regiment formed the backbone of CF's SF capabilities. More sensitive missions were assigned to the Pathfinders though these were section/platoon strength that were tasked through the battalions rather than a single dedicated force; much as you consider snipers.

If there was a JTF-1, it was off the books and no one I knew would even admit to knowing it exists and I don't know if it existed. Hell, based upon the budgets, I doubt it ever existed.

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Chimo

Canmoore

I think that JTF2 just needs more time to be known as an elite spec-force. The SAS and SEALS have been in operation since WW2. JTF2 only for 13 years. Its like comparing a baby to the battle-scared tatooed vet.

Officer of Engineers

JTF brass doesn't want the unit to be known.

lemontree

That is 80 pushups a minute, standard requirement, most are capable of much more.

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Cheers!...on the rocks!!

lemontree

Sir,
That is how it should be, ( however much to the chargin of armchair warriors ).

Simullacrum

Hello people, hope everyone is well..... just to add some info in regards to this matter.....
My brother holds, members of the jtf within high regards, and is very impressed with there maturity and professionalism, in which they behave within there field, especially having been formed in a short sapce of time. One of the few he would gladly have by his side.

As for being the best in the world, well i cant really coment on that, casue i have not worked with them or know them (and never will) to comment. My bro would have a better opinion on the matter. Ill stick to tried and testesd SAS/SBS and Special operation Group withtin the two bodies.

By the way OOE....spoke to my brother yesterday, he is still out there, extended duty lol, (friging lunatic).....he told me to send you his regards, and he will try his hardest to send you a PM when he gets a chance.

howardb

I got a theory that you can only push a man that far, or teach him that much in a specific area of knowledge. When you've had your 99,98% dropouts in a spec-op recruitment phase the remaining few are very much the same when it comes to endurance, intelligence, dexterity and so on. Everybody in a spec-op unit should be highly motivated, trained and equipped (in western countries at least).

So what can distinguish one unit from another? Their area of operations. I know that both UK and US spec-op teams comes to Norway to train with our FSK boys, why? Because FSK knows how to operate in cold moutaineous terrain, that's all they do. I highly doubt FSK is as effective in the desert for instance.

So to answer the question whos got the best spec-op forces in the world? Well, in Norway I'm pretty sure Norwegian spec-ops are the best.

Officer of Engineers

Your boys did more than ok in Afghanistan.

Feydakin

What took Canada so long with organizing spec/ops? . From my understanding the Ausssie SAS has pretty mean rep but thats just my opinion
or biased but anyone who is willing to carry 80-100kg bergen and climb mountains sits and observes for days on end for fun whether he is aussie,canuck or kiwi i will have the deepest respect my bro is in spec forces but we don't mention it much he his just a soldier he says who has to work harder than most

Officer of Engineers

Canadian SOF was the Army Pathfinders who dates back to before WWII.

Feydakin

Did the pathfinders have commando status back then where they a irregalar force

MetM

Q5 What is the significance of the name Joint Task Force Two?

A5 The term "joint task force" is used for any force made up of two or more elements of the CF. For example, the headquarters for Operation Apollo, Canada's military contribution to the international campaign against terrorism, which commanded units from Army, Navy and Air Force personnel operating in the Persian Gulf area from October 2001 to October 2003, was called Joint Task Force South West Asia.

Since members of JTF 2 are recruited from all elements of the CF, the unit is considered a joint force. The "2" designation simply distinguished it from other CF joint forces in existence when the unit was formed

MetM

Q2 Why do we hear so much about other countries SOF but not JTF2?

A2 Many people make the argument that other countries in the international Special Operations Forces community have publicized the activities of their units regularly in the last ten years. This argument is made under the assumption that all Special Operations Forces units are identical, and that every country's situation is the same. In fact, there are different groups or tiers within the international Special Operations Forces community, and strategic-level counter-terrorism forces such as JTF 2 normally operate under strict security guidelines.

The Canadian Forces have been open and transparent about the accomplishments of its Army snipers, its Pathfinder courses held at 8 Wing/Canadian Forces Base Trenton and the Canadian graduates of the U.S. Army Ranger Course. In other countries these qualifications might be part of their Special Operations Forces units, but in Canada, they are embedded in our conventional combat units

Sinvx

JTF-2 Is a highly secretive SOF simple as that, and I thought The Devil's Brigade was the only SOF in WW2, or was that Just for Joint Purposes, Also I heard JTF-2's named was Originated from Devil's Brigade due to the fact is was a joint between the US and Canada, and JTF was remade in rememberance or something along those lines, Do correct me if im wrong which is highly likely lol.

VarSity

[quote=Feydakin;255611] What took Canada so long with organizing spec/ops? . [quote]

Didn’t a lot of the Canadian guys just work with the SAS on (extended) exchange?