Triple C

What are the suspected/speculated armor patterns for T-72A?

kNikS

IIRC it had Al2O3 ceramics during 1976 and after that "sand bar".

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Triple C

Is this document

http://www.jedsite.info/editors/jame...icle-jul99.pdf accurate?

kNikS

You don't really expect from me to question Jim Warford? Here is something that might be interesting - or you've seen it earlier?

Triple C

1. Nope. I quite distinctly recall Warford being da man in those things.

2. Yep, seen that one.

kNikS

Of course, together with Vasiliy Fofanov, Paul Lakowski, Andrei "Harkonnen"... just to name few of them.

I red article you provided, and enjoyed it. Togeteher with those few threads on TankNet, it is more than good answer on your question above.

tankervet

[quote=kNikS]Of course, together with Vasiliy Fofanov, Paul Lakowski, Andrei "Harkonnen"... just to name few of them.

As long as you don't ask them anything about the M1 series, haha. I have had a few heated arguments with Harkonnen on that topic.

But as far as Soviet armor goes them guys really seem to know there stuff. And Tanknet is the place to go for armor discussions both in general and in great, scientific, above my head detail!

kNikS

Before I reply to this post I have to say that I tried to reply on your PM at lest five times but something always pull me off.

And yes, TankNet is a great board, extreeemly educative and it seems to me that dick-measuring contests are relatively rare. BTW could you send me a link via PM about that arguments with Harkonnen (it's pretty possible hat I red them already)?

tankervet

Yeah I will have to find it. It was about M1's destroyed in Iraq. I think he was saying that if we gave the Iraqi's M1 it would be rolling death traps, or something of that sort. Pretty much he was saying that there safer in t-72's instead of M1's.

tankervet

It will only let me go back to May 06 and the discussion was prior to that. You probably seen the debate though. I think it went on for a good while.

kNikS

Think I found it. I'll try to find some time to read it.

Triple C

Old threat resurrection--

What would a mid eighties plain M-1 compare to T-72? The publically available stats look quite evenly matched in sofar as armor and gun power go.

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Catalan

Detailed descriptions of the T-72A and the M1A1 (no-DU armor):

T-72A:

Lower Hull: 190mm KE & HEAT
Glacis: 490mm KE & 480mm HEAT
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 70-120mm KE & ~210-260mm HEAT
Front Side Turret Side Turret: 180mm KE & 240mm HEAT
Upper Front Turret: 280-290mm KE & 360-370mm HEAT
Rear Turret: 80-90mm KE & 130-210mm HEAT
Rear Hull: 60mm KE & 300-400mm HEAT
Side Hull: 70-120mm KE & ~210-260mm HEAT
Mantlet: 270mm KE & 450mm HEAT
Weakened Zone: 270mm KE & 450mm HEAT
Front Turret Corners: 390mm KE & 570mm HEAT
Side Turret: 160mm KE & 200mm HEAT

M1A1:


Lower Hull: 430-470mm KE & 570-790mm HEAT
Glacis: 350-490mm KE & 510-800mm HEAT
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 160mm KE & 900mm HEAT
Front Side Turret Side Turret: 240mm KE & 440mm HEAT
Upper Front Turret: n/a
Rear Turret: 90mm KE & 410mm HEAT
Rear Hull: 100mm KE & 500mm HEAT
Side Hull: 90mm KE & 680mm HEAT
Mantlet: 440mm KE & 990mm HEAT
Weakened Zone: 450mm KE & 920mm HEAT
Front Turret Corners: 440mm KE & 800mm HEAT
Side Turret: 240mm KE & 440mm HEAT

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Catalan

Depends on several factors, including what ammunition the M1 is using (the Israeli 105mm M111 Hetz was able to penetrate the front armor of Syrian T-72s), and who's able to get the first strike.

Triple C

At what range does M-774 penetrate T-72A frontal arc? From what I know fifty per cent of T-72A frontal profile was resistant to this ammunition at 2km. M1A1's armor is comparable to M1IP, which had improved armor over M1.