Russia + China invasion of Canada - Page 2

**TopHatter** · 05-23-2006, 13:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

I think an attack on Canada would engender a full response from the United States, if not out of brotherhood, than out of the big guy's need for the little guy's continued oil sales.

All of those reasons and more.

Somebody would have to be really stupid to attack Canada.

gunnut · 05-23-2006, 13:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

You haven't seen internet stupidity until you've read a thread consisting of arguments about who would prevail in a fight - Star Trek's U.S.S. Enterprise or a Star Warsian Star Destoyer. Complete with energy equations and curves, and pages-long analyses.

-dale

Oooh, can you post a link?

I always wanted to know which one would win.

Which Enterprise did they analyse? The original, A, B, C, D, or E?

dalem · 05-23-2006, 14:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

Oooh, can you post a link?

I always wanted to know which one would win.

Which Enterprise did they analyse? The original, A, B, C, D, or E?

I won't contribute to the nonsense directly, but a Google search will no doubt fulfill your masochistic desire for entertainment.

All I know is that when someone is SERIOUSLY comparing the completely made-up energy conversion rates of Tibanna gas-powered turbo lasers against the completely made-up energy absorption curves of 24th century starship shielding, my time is better spent googling up pictures of Keeley Hazell or coming here to yell at someone for believing in human-driven global warming.

-dale

kNikS · 05-23-2006, 15:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

I won't contribute to the nonsense directly, but a Google search will no doubt fulfill your masochistic desire for entertainment.

All I know is that when someone is SERIOUSLY comparing the completely made-up energy conversion rates of Tibanna gas-powered turbo lasers against the completely made-up energy absorption curves of 24th century starship shielding, my time is better spent googling up pictures of Keeley Hazell or coming here to yell at someone for believing in human-driven global warming.

-dale

Keywords: Keeley Hazell.

Edit by TH: Sorry kniks, that one is juuuuust a little too risque.

dalem · 05-23-2006, 15:29 PM

Yepper. For all my normal tastes she's too young, too skinny, too blonde, and too top-heavy. Yet, for some reason, I don't care, and I think she looks just... swell.

-dale

Wraith601 · 05-23-2006, 15:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

Oooh, can you post a link?

I always wanted to know which one would win.

Which Enterprise did they analyse? The original, A, B, C, D, or E?

Ask and you shall receive.

kNikS · 05-23-2006, 15:40 PM

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Edit by TH: Sorry kniks, that one is juuuuust a little too risque.

But but everything was covered!!! She had those small x x !!!!!!!!

gunnut · 05-23-2006, 16:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wraith601

Ask and you shall receive.

Holy crap!!!

I thought I'm a nerd. But my nerdiness is insignificant next to the power of TrekWars geekdom. I am but a young padiwan, a grasshopper, starting out on the long journey toward geekhood.

On a different note, all these hypothetical questions about the greatest empires in history, Soviets against the west in 1945, PLAN against Kaigun, are just a different form of geekiness.

Anon · 05-23-2006, 17:42 PM

Yeah, yeah, so who won?

I don't want to read all that geek-talk, i just want their consensus opinion without having to read their babble.

LOL...

Anon · 05-23-2006, 17:54 PM

AHA!:

Conclusions

"In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it."
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/

Hehehe.

gunnut · 05-23-2006, 18:44 PM

The funny thing is these geeks are somewhat ignorant of how distance in space works. No doubt influenced by the Hollywood types who have never seen combat nor capable of even imagining it.

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Combat range: fleet actions in DS9 uniformly feature engagements at ranges of 5 km or less, just as they do in TNG's Klingon wars or Borg engagements. In "The Die is Cast", Sisko actually orders the Defiant to approach to 500 metres (while taking fire) before shooting at a Jem'Hadar attack ship, presumably due to some disadvantage incurred at longer range. The only long-ranged incidents involve stationary or near-stationary targets.

You mean to tell me starships capable of faster than light travel and interplanetary sub-light travel in hours fight within KM of each other? What's the range of a Sidewinder? Even Mk48 ADCAP has a range greater than 5km.

Wraith601 · 05-24-2006, 00:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

The funny thing is these geeks are somewhat ignorant of how distance in space works. No doubt influenced by the Hollywood types who have never seen combat nor capable of even imagining it.

Note:

You mean to tell me starships capable of faster than light travel and interplanetary sub-light travel in hours fight within KM of each other? What's the range of a Sidewinder? Even Mk48 ADCAP has a range greater than 5km.

That's the distance they fight at in the show's though.

gunnut · 05-24-2006, 00:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wraith601

That's the distance they fight at in the show's though.

Precisely my point. The creators had no concept of distance when it comes to space. Things don't count in meters. Hell modern combat distances rarely count in meters unless you're talking about infantry combat.

I have a spaceship that can travel half way across the solar system in less than 1 hour. I have weapons that can vaporize cities from high orbit. Why would I fight in distance count of meters? I'd zoom in from around the moon and launch my weapons from 150k km away.

dalem · 05-24-2006, 02:05 AM

Note that Trek battle distances only decreased to "broadside" range with the advent of good and affordable SFX with the movies and the followon series. In TOS battle ranges were routinely given in the 10,000 - 50,000 km ranges (even though the FX limitations and dramatic necessity sometimes belied those numbers visually).

See the Task Force Game of Star Trek space combat "Star Fleet Battles", which was based completely on TOS combat "examples" - each hex is 10K km and nominal battle range for a phaser bank is about 5 hexes. Photon torpedoes and Klingon disruptors are okay out to about 10 hexes.

And yes ladies, I'm still single, hubba hubba.

-dale

HistoricalDavid · 05-24-2006, 05:35 AM

Stuart Slade pops up on that site.

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05-23-2006, 15:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,737 Country:	Yepper. For all my normal tastes she's too young, too skinny, too blonde, and too top-heavy. Yet, for some reason, I don't care, and I think she looks just... swell. -dale

05-23-2006, 17:42 PM	#24 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Yeah, yeah, so who won? I don't want to read all that geek-talk, i just want their consensus opinion without having to read their babble. LOL...

05-23-2006, 17:54 PM	#25 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	AHA!: Conclusions "In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it." http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/ Hehehe.

05-24-2006, 02:05 AM	#29 (permalink)
dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,737 Country:	Note that Trek battle distances only decreased to "broadside" range with the advent of good and affordable SFX with the movies and the followon series. In TOS battle ranges were routinely given in the 10,000 - 50,000 km ranges (even though the FX limitations and dramatic necessity sometimes belied those numbers visually). See the Task Force Game of Star Trek space combat "Star Fleet Battles", which was based completely on TOS combat "examples" - each hex is 10K km and nominal battle range for a phaser bank is about 5 hexes. Photon torpedoes and Klingon disruptors are okay out to about 10 hexes. And yes ladies, I'm still single, hubba hubba. -dale

05-24-2006, 05:35 AM	#30 (permalink)
HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 2,122 Country:	Stuart Slade pops up on that site.

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