3rd ACR - Page 5

sappersgt · 03-22-2007, 00:10 AM

Did PV2s Blueskid and Bluesbuddy escape the nabobs of officialdom or does this go back to their...(CO?)?

Bluesman · 03-22-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sappersgt

Did PV2s Blueskid and Bluesbuddy escape the nabobs of officialdom or does this go back to their...(CO?)?

I'm not sure if this is a Good Thing or a Bad Thing, but...

It's all over and done with. The police didn't make an arrest record (they have to note that they actually had him in custody, of course), but as far as official status goes, they put it down as 'medical observation', for cases just like this: dumb stuff that shouldn't screw up an otherwise good record.

If he'd done anything but go into 'yessir/no sir' mode when the cop rolled up on him, though, the option to ratchet up the Hassle Meter is always there. The cops wouldn't have had the option of 'medical observation' if the drunk they're dealing with is belligerant. Luckily, the fight seems to have gone out of him by then.

They took him into custody basically to make sure he's not going to get himself hurt, hence, 'medical observation'.

When it's done that way, NObody can get at the records, because it's protected under the Health Information Protection Act, and not even his parents can see it, or even know it exists. Which is cool, right?

BUT...I told him he WILL be telling his recruiter about it. (Until he actually reports to Basic Training, the recruiter is the closest thing to a commander that he's got, but because of all the limitations that non-commanding authorities have, the recruiter isn't very close to that role at all. There's a lot of power in the title 'Commanding Officer'.) I don't want him getting used to 'lying by ommission' to NCOs or anybody else. I wouldn't tolerate it in my people, and I don't want him thinking that it's proper to not let his chain of command know about things like this. If there's pain coming his way, he should face it like a man.

So the lad squirted out of his first scrape with no damage. I just hope he doesn't learn the wrong lesson, or fail to learn anything at all from this. If he feels invulnerable, he'll get cocky, and while some swagger is good in a military man, there is NOTHING that will get you hammered like arrogance. He's not prone to that sort of thing, but I'd have preferred a BIT more pain to go with this REALLY stupid episode.

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-22-2007, 08:30 AM

You know Bluesman, as a parent I can understand how you are feeling,you epitomise the proud parent, I think I to would have wanted a little more "pumishment" if it had been my son, I do believe though everyone deserves a "first kick of the can" if we do not screw up how do we learn? If it had have gone further it could have had a detrimental effect on what appears to be a very promising future.
You know we talk a lot about the negatives with the youth of today, but given the situation in the world today and all the negative reporting about what is wrong with the military, we do not give most of the youth of today enough credit that they are still joining and want to be part of "something special" . It cheers me that sons like yours, and daughters are still enlisting, still seeing how things can be.
I told both my sons on there 18th birthdays, the same thing, "the future is thier's to lose, but they know I will always be there for them". Mrs tigger and myself have only one son now, we lost one.Tragicly, the void will always be with us, but we do not view it as a total waste, due to the circumstances of his death.
from what I read I am sure your sons future is going to be bright and fruitfull.
FEAR NAUGHT

Bluesman · 03-22-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

You know Bluesman, as a parent I can understand how you are feeling,you epitomise the proud parent, I think I to would have wanted a little more "pumishment" if it had been my son, I do believe though everyone deserves a "first kick of the can" if we do not screw up how do we learn? If it had have gone further it could have had a detrimental effect on what appears to be a very promising future.
You know we talk a lot about the negatives with the youth of today, but given the situation in the world today and all the negative reporting about what is wrong with the military, we do not give most of the youth of today enough credit that they are still joining and want to be part of "something special" . It cheers me that sons like yours, and daughters are still enlisting, still seeing how things can be.
I told both my sons on there 18th birthdays, the same thing, "the future is thier's to lose, but they know I will always be there for them". Mrs tigger and myself have only one son now, we lost one.Tragicly, the void will always be with us, but we do not view it as a total waste, due to the circumstances of his death.
from what I read I am sure your sons future is going to be bright and fruitfull.
FEAR NAUGHT

Hey, WABbers? Would you like to meet one of my best friends that I've never met? This is T_igger_cs_30, and I think he understands a lot of what the last couple of pages of this thread have been about for me.

Tigger, you magnificent bastard, I wish you were here, but since you're not, accept my virtual handshake for making me and Lt. Bluesman feel better about ALL of this.

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-22-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

Hey, WABbers? Would you like to meet one of my best friends that I've never met? This is T_igger_cs_30, and I think he understands a lot of what the last couple of pages of this thread have been about for me.

Tigger, you magnificent bastard, I wish you were here, but since you're not, accept my virtual handshake for making me and Lt. Bluesman feel better about ALL of this.

Accepted with pleasure.................next up Bluesman grandchildren ..........wait for it its fanbloodytastic.......

**Parihaka** · 03-22-2007, 17:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

If he'd done anything but go into 'yessir/no sir' mode when the cop rolled up on him, though, the option to ratchet up the Hassle Meter is always there. The cops wouldn't have had the option of 'medical observation' if the drunk they're dealing with is belligerant. Luckily, the fight seems to have gone out of him by then.

They took him into custody basically to make sure he's not going to get himself hurt, hence, 'medical observation'.

luck had nothing to do with it, or another way of putting it he was lucky in the same way as I was lucky, namely my parents taught me that there is a certain point you can push to and then it's time to go "yes Sir".
No matter how drunk I've got, I've always remembered "don't mess with the cops". A lot of my friends weren't so "lucky".

**Parihaka** · 03-22-2007, 17:05 PM

Tigger, sorry to hear about your son, I can't imagine facing anything worse.

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-22-2007, 18:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Tigger, sorry to hear about your son, I can't imagine facing anything worse.

[b]Thanks Pari, for your thoughts, there is not anything worse, I would not wish the loss of a son, or daugher on my worst enemy./B]

Stan187 · 03-23-2007, 14:22 PM

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Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

easy you cant drink as much as us Army types

bullcrap. And I am an Army type, I'm signing up in half a year.

Stan187 · 03-23-2007, 14:26 PM

[quote=T_igger_cs_30;357858][b]Accepted with pleasure.................next up Bluesman grandchildren

..........QUOTE]

Whoa, slow your boat sir, I don't know if Bluesman is ready for that

**Shek** · 03-25-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

I told both my sons on there 18th birthdays, the same thing, "the future is thier's to lose, but they know I will always be there for them". Mrs tigger and myself have only one son now, we lost one.Tragicly, the void will always be with us, but we do not view it as a total waste, due to the circumstances of his death.
from what I read I am sure your sons future is going to be bright and fruitfull.
FEAR NAUGHT[/b]

T_igger_cs_30,
My condolences to you and your wife.

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-25-2007, 13:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shek

T_igger_cs_30,
My condolences to you and your wife.

Thank yuo from the both of us Shek

dave lukins · 03-25-2007, 13:53 PM

Wayne,shocked and stunned is just the beginning mate...See you in Canada!!

Bluesman · 03-26-2007, 00:20 AM

OmiGAWD, that young'un is already totally ate UP!

So, before we let him go off the Atlanta with his hooligan friend (okay, he's a good kid, too, but he's also a SOLDIER, so figger the odds these two cherry-boy grunts WON'T get into something!

), we levied a no-negotiate demand: he has to call home EVERY DAM' DAY and tell us what's up. No excuses for missing comms check, no one-word answers ('How was your day?' 'Fine.' 'What did you do?' 'Nothing.' NOT GONNA CUT IT!)

But after today's conversation, you know what he said? 'GARRYOWEN!'

Not 'Bye, Dad', or 'Talk to you tomorrow.'

Somebody's been talking to the kid. He hasn't even left for Basic yet, and he's a fanatic already!

Bluesman · 03-29-2007, 13:43 PM

I told my Branch Chief - Army Lt Colonel, came from the Cav, himself - and he told me to start saying the OTHER regiments' sayings back to the lad.

When he gives me 'Garryowen!', which is the 7th Cavalry's saying, I can give HIM 'BRAVE RIFLES!', which is the 3rd ACR's motto.

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T_igger_cs_30 *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-04-07 Location: Canada Posts: 1,943 Country:	You know Bluesman, as a parent I can understand how you are feeling,you epitomise the proud parent, I think I to would have wanted a little more "pumishment" if it had been my son, I do believe though everyone deserves a "first kick of the can" if we do not screw up how do we learn? If it had have gone further it could have had a detrimental effect on what appears to be a very promising future. You know we talk a lot about the negatives with the youth of today, but given the situation in the world today and all the negative reporting about what is wrong with the military, we do not give most of the youth of today enough credit that they are still joining and want to be part of "something special" . It cheers me that sons like yours, and daughters are still enlisting, still seeing how things can be. I told both my sons on there 18th birthdays, the same thing, "the future is thier's to lose, but they know I will always be there for them". Mrs tigger and myself have only one son now, we lost one.Tragicly, the void will always be with us, but we do not view it as a total waste, due to the circumstances of his death. from what I read I am sure your sons future is going to be bright and fruitfull. FEAR NAUGHT __________________ $<img src=http://C:\Documents and Settings\Wayne Smith\My Documents\002...My Pictures border=0 alt= />$ FEAR NAUGHT I don't work here ...I am an analyst!

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Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 9,465 Country:	Tigger, sorry to hear about your son, I can't imagine facing anything worse.

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Bluesman WAB Bartender *Defense Professional* *Military Professional* Join Date: 11-24-04 Location: Vacaville, CA. Posts: 7,387 Country:	OmiGAWD, that young'un is already totally ate UP! So, before we let him go off the Atlanta with his hooligan friend (okay, he's a good kid, too, but he's also a SOLDIER, so figger the odds these two cherry-boy grunts WON'T get into something! ), we levied a no-negotiate demand: he has to call home EVERY DAM' DAY and tell us what's up. No excuses for missing comms check, no one-word answers ('How was your day?' 'Fine.' 'What did you do?' 'Nothing.' NOT GONNA CUT IT!) But after today's conversation, you know what he said? 'GARRYOWEN!' Not 'Bye, Dad', or 'Talk to you tomorrow.' Somebody's been talking to the kid. He hasn't even left for Basic yet, and he's a fanatic already!

03-29-2007, 13:43 PM	#75 (permalink)
Bluesman WAB Bartender *Defense Professional* *Military Professional* Join Date: 11-24-04 Location: Vacaville, CA. Posts: 7,387 Country:	I told my Branch Chief - Army Lt Colonel, came from the Cav, himself - and he told me to start saying the OTHER regiments' sayings back to the lad. When he gives me 'Garryowen!', which is the 7th Cavalry's saying, I can give HIM 'BRAVE RIFLES!', which is the 3rd ACR's motto.

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