M1A2 vs Challenger 2 (intelligent debate) - Page 9

HistoricalDavid · 01-13-2008, 17:11 PM

One thing roundly superior on the Abrams is the MG armament, especially so with TUSK.

S-2 · 01-13-2008, 17:45 PM

When was the external, barrel-mounted .50 cal w/ the spot-light added? Isn't there a coax M240 7.62mm in addition to the loader and commander weapons?

HistoricalDavid · 01-13-2008, 17:51 PM

There is. Two 7.62s and two .50cals, at least on the upgraded versions. I was as surprised as you to see that it has two coax MGs but upon reflection I don't know where else they could have added the extra MG.

It was added recently as part of the TUSK programme but I cannot say more as I do not have the article or context in which the pictures should be.

Note also the ERA, loader's transparent shield and something which I cannot identify; a hinged black bar or two right at the hull's front. Tankers, help?

R Thomas · 01-13-2008, 18:28 PM

Sorry not 2 50.cals(Inless with TUSK), its 1 thats me getting carried away with the typing

HistoricalDavid · 01-13-2008, 18:32 PM

You'd be wrong a year ago, you're right now.

R Thomas · 01-13-2008, 18:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

You'd be wrong a year ago, you're right now.

Oh with TUSK? i don't no a lot about the current M1A2

HistoricalDavid · 01-13-2008, 18:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Thomas

Oh with TUSK? i don't no a lot about the current M1A2

Can't you see the pictures I posted?

R Thomas · 01-13-2008, 18:44 PM

Yes

See this aswell http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-09-165522.jpg

HistoricalDavid · 01-13-2008, 19:00 PM

I know, I was puzzled about the addition of a coax HMG but it appears it's now part of TUSK, whereas that last pic has been around for ages.

R Thomas · 01-13-2008, 19:07 PM

Anyway back to the main idea of the thread

In a urban enviroment i would rather have the M1A2. Although over that i would prefer the Warrior AFV

ofogs · 01-14-2008, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Note also the ERA, loader's transparent shield and something which I cannot identify; a hinged black bar or two right at the hull's front. Tankers, help?

That's the tow bar. You'll see a lot of units do that so it's readily accessible for recovery ops.

JA Boomer · 01-14-2008, 15:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Thomas

Sorry not 2 50.cals, its 1 thats me getting carried away with the typing :redface

Do you mean 2 .50 calss and ONE 7.62mm???

R Thomas · 01-14-2008, 15:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JA Boomer

Do you mean 2 .50 calss and ONE 7.62mm???

Yes i got a little

because with TUSK it has 2 50.cals but with out TUSK it has 1 50 cal and 2 7.62 mm

JA Boomer · 01-14-2008, 15:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Thomas

Yes i got a little

because with TUSK it has 2 50.cals but with out TUSK it has 1 50 cal and 2 7.62 mm

Gotcha. Without TUSK, where is the second 7.62 mounted...the one that is NOT coaxial?

R Thomas · 01-14-2008, 15:13 PM

1 pintle-mounted, 1 coaxial

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HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 2,122 Country:	One thing roundly superior on the Abrams is the MG armament, especially so with TUSK. __________________ HD Ready?

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S-2 *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-11-06 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,540 Country:	Machine Guns When was the external, barrel-mounted .50 cal w/ the spot-light added? Isn't there a coax M240 7.62mm in addition to the loader and commander weapons? __________________ "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski

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HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 2,122 Country:	There is. Two 7.62s and two .50cals, at least on the upgraded versions. I was as surprised as you to see that it has two coax MGs but upon reflection I don't know where else they could have added the extra MG. It was added recently as part of the TUSK programme but I cannot say more as I do not have the article or context in which the pictures should be. Note also the ERA, loader's transparent shield and something which I cannot identify; a hinged black bar or two right at the hull's front. Tankers, help?

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HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 2,122 Country:	I know, I was puzzled about the addition of a coax HMG but it appears it's now part of TUSK, whereas that last pic has been around for ages.

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R Thomas New Member Join Date: 01-01-08 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 10 Country:	Anyway back to the main idea of the thread In a urban enviroment i would rather have the M1A2. Although over that i would prefer the Warrior AFV

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R Thomas New Member Join Date: 01-01-08 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 10 Country:	1 pintle-mounted, 1 coaxial

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