Israel seeks seat on Security Council - Page 2

Neo · 09-23-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Actually no. The US would be in a position to sway a whole lot many votes in its favor. Thats the thing, the world will have to agree. All the 5 veto power keeps flipping each other off with the veto. If not them, their allies.

Kashmiris got the right. One country's not letting them exercise that right, thats another thing. Add India into that equation and it'll veto that move or anything passed in its favor. Israel will (assuming its a permanent seat) want to veto anything pro-Palestine.

Its the VETO that messes things up. At the least if the UNSC has to exist, its veto powers should be stripped off and only a majority vote should exist.

I don't think that they are after a permanent UNSC seat, wouldn't qualify for that anyway.
It's the rotating membership that shifts every year or two.

Leader · 09-23-2005, 18:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo

Its more like having a prestigious status of belonging to some elite club

Yeah except when you get there it's a decrepit shack filled with thieves and fifty year old whores.

Leader · 09-23-2005, 18:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Actually no. The US would be in a position to sway a whole lot many votes in its favor.

I don't agree. We have few friends.

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Thats the thing, the world will have to agree.

Our foreign policy isn't a popularity contest.

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Kashmiris got the right. One country's not letting them exercise that right, thats another thing. Add India into that equation and it'll veto that move or anything passed in its favor. Israel will (assuming its a permanent seat) want to veto anything pro-Palestine.

Everyone has the right to self-determination whether the UNSC says they do or not. It's not an accomplishment of the UNSC that they pointed out that Kashmiris have the right of self determination.

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Its the VETO that messes things up.

No, it's that the UNSC isn't representative of the real powers in the world.

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At the least if the UNSC has to exist, its veto powers should be stripped off and only a majority vote should exist.

Countries aren't equal and they aren't entitled to equal representation. As I have pointed out in the past, the body you describe already exists. It's is completely ignored by the whole world. There is no more convincing evidence then they that you position is wrong.

Praxus · 09-23-2005, 18:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

It gave the Kashmiris the right of self-determination.

Rights can not simply be handed out as if they were food aid. They are derived from nature law, and nature never changes.

Sameer · 09-25-2005, 22:12 PM

The UN is a worthless organization and it has been superceeded by other orgs such as the G-8 and G-20. India and China have already been invited to these orgs and after 2020 both will have the economic power to deserve a permanent spot, who the hell cares about the UN anyway.
A bunch of people who have high paying jobs because they have connections.

Sameer · 09-25-2005, 22:12 PM

Israel does not need a permanent seat btw the US always votes in its favour.

**ZFBoxcar** · 09-25-2005, 22:31 PM

Israel was not asking for a permanent seat.

Leader · 09-25-2005, 22:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sameer

Israel does not need a permanent seat btw the US always votes in its favour.

I believe that is not the case.

bull · 09-26-2005, 02:30 AM

Israel though deserves respect for its grit,doesnt rightfully deserve a place in UNSC.Why?juts bcoz there are more qualified members like Japan,germany India etc etc

Leader · 09-26-2005, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bull

Israel though deserves respect for its grit,doesnt rightfully deserve a place in UNSC.Why?juts bcoz there are more qualified members like Japan,germany India etc etc

How do you get "qualified" for a UNSC seat? Is there some exam in how to take and give bribes?

bull · 09-26-2005, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Leader

How do you get "qualified" for a UNSC seat? Is there some exam in how to take and give bribes?

Huh!!!

Neo · 09-26-2005, 15:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Leader

I believe that is not the case.

Please explain...
IMHO jewish lobby in US is very powerful and serves Israel

Leader · 09-26-2005, 17:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo

Please explain...
IMHO jewish lobby in US is very powerful and serves Israel

I believe there have been cases in the past in which that has not been the case. Maybe someone with a better understanding of the subject like ZF could tell you. Also I have found your latter statement to be almost universally untrue in my experience.

Commando · 09-26-2005, 19:52 PM

You guys are just jealous that Israel is the most trustworthy country in the middle east and Asia. As for speaking they would be a puppet for the USA or vise versa, who cares the USA is the most consistent nation in the world on their morals and ethics.

Neo · 09-27-2005, 14:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Leader

I believe there have been cases in the past in which that has not been the case. Maybe someone with a better understanding of the subject like ZF could tell you. Also I have found your latter statement to be almost universally untrue in my experience.

Sir,

I remember that George Bush Sr. took a tougher stand against Israel and I believe that cost him his vote.
Doesn't it show how powerfull the jewish lobby is?

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Sameer *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-12-05 Posts: 2,503	The UN is a worthless organization and it has been superceeded by other orgs such as the G-8 and G-20. India and China have already been invited to these orgs and after 2020 both will have the economic power to deserve a permanent spot, who the hell cares about the UN anyway. A bunch of people who have high paying jobs because they have connections.

09-25-2005, 22:12 PM	#21 (permalink)
Sameer *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-12-05 Posts: 2,503	Israel does not need a permanent seat btw the US always votes in its favour.

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ZFBoxcar Moderator Join Date: 08-03-03 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,122 Country:	Israel was not asking for a permanent seat.

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Commando Contributor Join Date: 01-01-05 Posts: 412 Country:	You guys are just jealous that Israel is the most trustworthy country in the middle east and Asia. As for speaking they would be a puppet for the USA or vise versa, who cares the USA is the most consistent nation in the world on their morals and ethics.

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