Leader

Look it's Palestinians making fools out of themselves

Palestinians set fire to shuls, yeshiva
Associated Press, THE JERUSALEM POST Sep. 12, 2005

As the last IDF soldiers were heading out of the Gaza Strip early Monday morning, thousands of celebrating Palestinians took to the streets and made their way to the abandoned Jewish settlements.

In Neveh Dekalim – formerly Gush Katif's urban center – Palestinians set fire to what was just last month a yeshiva.

Gunmen from several Palestinian factions stormed through the settlement. One group planted a flag from the ruling Fatah movement on the roof of the yeshiva, while others set a fire inside.

Flames also shot skyward from the synagogue building in the isolated settlement of Morag in southern Gaza.

"They [Israelis] destroyed our homes and our mosques," said a man who gave his name only as Abu Ahmed. "Today it is our turn to destroy theirs."

In Netzarim, located southwest of Gaza City, gunmen climbed on the roof of the synagogue and raised flags of Palestinian factions. They chanted, "God is great," and "We don't want anything to remind us of the occupation."

Palestinian policemen stood by and watched, admitting they were outnumbered by the crowds and had little motivation to stop them. An officer who refused to give his name said, "The people have the right to do what they are doing."

Following Sunday's cabinet decision against the demolition of synagogues, a Palestinian Authority official declared that the PA intended to destroy all the synagogues.

All remaining buildings in the evacuated settlements will be destroyed except for the hothouses, Palestinian Interior Ministry spokesman Tawfiq Abu Khoussa said.

The PA – who claimed that the Gaza synagogues symbolized Israel's occupation – boycotted the ceremony marking the handover of the Gaza Strip earlier on Sunday, in what was widely viewed as a protest against the cabinet's decision.

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dalem

Barbarians.

-dale

Leader

How do we show that we can run own state? I have an idea let's go on a massive, juvenile spree of destruction. ****ing dumbasses.

Anon

The Pals prove once again that the only good Pal, is a dead Pal.

Expat Canuck

I'm so glad I was born in Canada and not in that wonderful part of the world.

dalem

And how many Jews around the world will riot and kill each other and demand redress because of the burning of the synagogue? None. How many in the MSM will point that fact out and contrast it with the behavior or Muslims around the world? None.

-dale

Amled

My hat of to Sharon and his advisers!
By leaving the Jewish religious centres standing in Gaza, He (they) have gained a win-win public relation victory.
By not razing them to the ground; like they did with most of the settlements, the sentiments in Israel were assuaged. At the same time knowing full well that the Palestinian extremists would desecrate and burn them as a sign of “victory” over the Jews.
Thereby branding the Palestinians as destructive barbarians, and their self-rule government with their ineffective police as abettors to religious and political motivated acts of wanton destruction.
What better picture to present to the world as to the ultimate aim of the Palestinians then burning synagogues and yeshivas.

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Lunatock

I did briefly get to know one Palistinian here in the states who at least resembled "good"...and she's dead.

ZFBoxcar

Amled, you make it sound like the Palestinians have no free will, like their actions are just the results of whatever policy Israel implements. Nobody forced them to act like barbarians, they achieved that themselves.

Amled

Of course they have free will.
A free will contaminated by hatred and loathing of Israel and Jews. Having a free will does not preclude them from acting like savage barbarians. History is rife with examples.
My point was simply what I said: kudos to a pragmatic Sharon or whoever it was who decided to leave the yeshivas and synagogues standing, they simply pressed the right button knowing full well what would happen, and the hate took care of the rest.

ZFBoxcar

You are correct that the actions were forseeable, but that does not mean that one who seeks to blame Israel for the incident would be right to do so. I know you are crediting Sharon for the move, but others who are less generous would be blaming him for it, when really, nobody forced the Palestinians to behave like this.

A number of factors were involved in the decision, it was mainly to do with settler complaints.

According to the BBC

"Ministers had initially sought to raze the synagogues to prevent possible desecration by Palestinians.

But they decided against it after pressure from leading rabbis."

So if anything, I would say it was a national unity thing, trying to bring the settlers back into the fold by making them remember that the Palestinians are the threat, not Sharon. And the Palestinians performed admirably, they have a way of being caught on camera acting like morons (ie dancing in the streets after 9/11).

illusha

I think the only good reason to get out of Gaza is so that you don't have any Jewish casualties when you carpet bomb and wipe out every Arab city in Gaza. Then the Jews can move back in when all the arabs are dead in there. Otherwise, this is a very bad decision which was not done by Sharon but by Bush and the anti-semite state department.

As for the idiots who think this decision is good because it will show the world that the arabs are savages, well I have news for you THEY ALREADY KNOW IT AND DON'T CARE.

ZFBoxcar

Comon, you can't blame Bush for this. Bush was for it, but it was an Israeli decision, and in the end it was the right one.

Leader

Someone blames Bush for everything.

Bluesman

Right.

As for the decision to pull back to defensible lines, it was the decision of a general, which is what Sharon was, and how his mind is trained to think. I think he's correct.

While those settlements existed, 40% of IDF ground combat power was tied up directly or indirectly with keeping those settlers alive in the middle of that sea of hatred.

So, I think it was an easy call, when your mandate is protecting Jewish life from predatory and hostile neighbors on all sides. However, if you believe the legend that this is exactly what caused the destruction Israel and the scattering of Jews to the corners of the Earth, then God certainly isn't going to approve giving away the Promised Land THIS time any more than he blessed it LAST time.

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