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Old 08-16-2005, 09:09 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Im not claiming anything as "Arab" land that isnt. Fact is that Palestine is part of Arabia and Palestinians are Arabs.
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Old 08-16-2005, 09:26 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Im not claiming anything as "Arab" land that isnt. Fact is that Palestine is part of Arabia and Palestinians are Arabs.
The Israeli occupation of the disputed territories is what forced Egypt and Jordan to relinquish their claims to the territories. After all, it was the Arabs that rejected a Palestinian state just under 60 years ago. Arab concern for the plight of the Palestinians is nothing more than propaganda.

Israel did more to grow the Palestinian economy than any Arab country. The only Arab exports of significance to Palestine are arms, explosives, and hate. The Palestinians fared much better under Israeli occupation than under Arab occupation.
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Old 08-16-2005, 09:39 AM   #18 (permalink)
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And Arabia is the Arabian penninsula, nothing more.
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:51 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Im not claiming anything as "Arab" land that isnt. Fact is that Palestine is part of Arabia and Palestinians are Arabs.
If you want to get real technical about it, nothing in the Middle East is "Arab" land. If you wanna say that Israel is occupying land, they are only occupying land that was Jewish to begin with.
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Old 08-16-2005, 16:06 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Im not claiming anything as "Arab" land that isnt. Fact is that Palestine is part of Arabia and Palestinians are Arabs.
That doesn't mean that all of what you consider "Arabia" belongs to "Arabs."
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Old 08-17-2005, 14:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Settler kills 3 Palestinians, rattling Gaza pullout
Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:18 PM ET

By Wafa Amr
SHILOH, West Bank (Reuters) - A Jewish settler shot dead three Palestinians in the West Bank on Wednesday, drawing a threat of retaliation from Palestinian militants which could complicate Israel's withdrawal from the occupied Gaza Strip.

Israeli police said the assailant was a driver who had taken Palestinian workers to jobs in Shiloh, a Jewish West Bank settlement. Once there, he snatched a security guard's gun and turned it on his passengers. Police later arrested him.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called the attack a "Jewish terror act." Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas branded it "a terrorist incident." Both leaders said it aimed to disrupt Israel's pullout from Gaza, home to 1.4 million Palestinians.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack. Medical officials said that after shooting dead two Palestinians in his car, the settler fired at others in the industrial zone, killing another Palestinian and wounding two.

One of the dead Palestinians was seen slumped in the back of the attacker's vehicle, while another lay beside it.

The shooting occurred hours after Israeli forces began removing settlers and their supporters from several Gaza settlements as part of a pullout which Israeli opponents see as capitulation to a Palestinian uprising that began in 2000.

ABBAS APPEAL

Abbas appealed to Palestinians not to retaliate.

He urged Palestinian gunmen not to respond to "provocations and not to provide any pretexts or excuses to those wishing to halt the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza."

Palestinian militants have threatened to renew attacks that they have scaled back in recent months at the request of Abbas, who seeks a smooth handover of Gaza.

"By freeing the hand of settlers to shed Palestinian blood, the enemy is opening the door for resistance factions to respond to these Zionist crimes which take place during the calm," a spokesman for the Islamic militant group Hamas said.

The Islamic Jihad group issued a similar statement but said any retaliatory attacks would take place in the West Bank or Israel, but not in Gaza.

Sharon, who casts the pullout from Gaza and a corner of the West Bank as "disengagement" from 4 1/2 years of fighting with the Palestinians, has said there will be no withdrawal under militant fire.

Nearly two weeks ago an ultranationalist Jew opposed to the Gaza withdrawal shot dead four Israeli Arabs aboard a bus in northern Israel. The gunman, who was beaten to death by an angry mob, had deserted from the Israeli army and taken up residence in a West Bank settlement.

Some 230,000 Jews live in settlements scattered among the 2.4 million Palestinians of the West Bank. Israel is removing 8,500 settlers from Gaza, home to 1.4 million Palestinians. Israel occupied both territories in the 1967 Middle East war.

(Additional reporting by Corinne Heller and Dan Williams in Jerusalem and Nidal al-Mughrabi and Mohammed Assadi in Gaza)

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Old 08-17-2005, 14:48 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Settler kills 3 Palestinians, rattling Gaza pullout
Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:18 PM ET

By Wafa Amr
SHILOH, West Bank (Reuters) - A Jewish settler shot dead three Palestinians in the West Bank on Wednesday, drawing a threat of retaliation from Palestinian militants which could complicate Israel's withdrawal from the occupied Gaza Strip.

Israeli police said the assailant was a driver who had taken Palestinian workers to jobs in Shiloh, a Jewish West Bank settlement. Once there, he snatched a security guard's gun and turned it on his passengers. Police later arrested him.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called the attack a "Jewish terror act." Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas branded it "a terrorist incident." Both leaders said it aimed to disrupt Israel's pullout from Gaza, home to 1.4 million Palestinians.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack. Medical officials said that after shooting dead two Palestinians in his car, the settler fired at others in the industrial zone, killing another Palestinian and wounding two.

One of the dead Palestinians was seen slumped in the back of the attacker's vehicle, while another lay beside it.

The shooting occurred hours after Israeli forces began removing settlers and their supporters from several Gaza settlements as part of a pullout which Israeli opponents see as capitulation to a Palestinian uprising that began in 2000.

ABBAS APPEAL

Abbas appealed to Palestinians not to retaliate.

He urged Palestinian gunmen not to respond to "provocations and not to provide any pretexts or excuses to those wishing to halt the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza."

Palestinian militants have threatened to renew attacks that they have scaled back in recent months at the request of Abbas, who seeks a smooth handover of Gaza.

"By freeing the hand of settlers to shed Palestinian blood, the enemy is opening the door for resistance factions to respond to these Zionist crimes which take place during the calm," a spokesman for the Islamic militant group Hamas said.

The Islamic Jihad group issued a similar statement but said any retaliatory attacks would take place in the West Bank or Israel, but not in Gaza.

Sharon, who casts the pullout from Gaza and a corner of the West Bank as "disengagement" from 4 1/2 years of fighting with the Palestinians, has said there will be no withdrawal under militant fire.

Nearly two weeks ago an ultranationalist Jew opposed to the Gaza withdrawal shot dead four Israeli Arabs aboard a bus in northern Israel. The gunman, who was beaten to death by an angry mob, had deserted from the Israeli army and taken up residence in a West Bank settlement.

Some 230,000 Jews live in settlements scattered among the 2.4 million Palestinians of the West Bank. Israel is removing 8,500 settlers from Gaza, home to 1.4 million Palestinians. Israel occupied both territories in the 1967 Middle East war.

(Additional reporting by Corinne Heller and Dan Williams in Jerusalem and Nidal al-Mughrabi and Mohammed Assadi in Gaza)

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...HOOTING-DC.XML
It'll be interesting to see if the Palenstinians step on it by committing terrorist acts that will stop the disengagement process. I wouldn't be surprised, though.
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Old 08-17-2005, 17:21 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Its a historic event indeed and must be very difficult for the government to take such a step. But it would be for their own safety. I hated Israel to the extreme for killing innocent palestinians and destroying their houses. But im very impressed by their intelligence and this recent steps of pull out.
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Old 08-17-2005, 17:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I never thought it would happen. But here it is! I have a feeling it won't be the last thing the Palestinians demand to be ceded over to them. Oh well, let's hope it goes with as little violence as possible.
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Old 08-17-2005, 19:12 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Man the coverage of the pullout is so propagandish.

Indeed its a good stand by Israel, even with stiff internal opposition.

But the coverage of the pullout is uneasing. Clearly they're overplaying the "Jewish Embarrassment/defeat" with this pullout. Kinda makes you ask questions like are they going to say "Take Gaza, Forget about the West Bank?"

The pull out has to be as much as they had agreed in the mandate, IMO. Anything else has been taken by force.

Hamas is being an a$s as usual, they've vowed to seek revenge for some 5 palestinians that were killed by some Jew being pulled out forcibly. These are tense times, tit-for-tat, isn't the call of the hour. By seeking "revenge" they'd be giving Israel just another excuse to call Palestinians ungrateful for their "gut wrenching" (yeah that was used on tv, lol) pullout. It will be stupid.
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Old 08-17-2005, 23:41 PM   #26 (permalink)
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May be the Israeli's have something bigger in their minds.

Israel has pull out and the whole world appreciated it. Now if israel is attacked, the whole world will be behind her. A clever move indeed.
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Old 08-17-2005, 23:46 PM   #27 (permalink)
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May be the Israeli's have something bigger in their minds.

Israel has pull out and the whole world appreciated it. Now if israel is attacked, the whole world will be behind her. A clever move indeed.
Those damn Jews! Pulling the wool over everyone's eyes again.
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Old 08-18-2005, 00:00 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Old 08-18-2005, 07:12 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Well each side should be cautious. But the thing is, Israelis and Palestinians arent the ones that'll show excellent levels of restraint. 5 Palestinians were murdered by a terrorist, now Hamas will stupidly respond in kind.

The US needs to put their weight in even more now and observe extreme neutrality. Since after a very long time they both are listening to the US.
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Old 08-18-2005, 09:59 AM   #30 (permalink)
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While the terrorist scum who killed those Palestinians (I thought it was 3 not 5, but maybe I'm wrong) was Israeli, he was a settler who stole a soldier's gun, not acting under orders from anyone, not even the Settler's Council. The settler leaders are telling everyone to be non-violent and Sharon is telling the settlers to blame him and not anybody else. It is not a matter of Israel showing restraint. All Israeli leaders oppose terrorism no matter who it is commited by. Unlike most Palestinian leaders who just slap the label of resistance or martyrdom on it. Abbas seems to be different, but I haven't heard what he says in Arabic.
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