Israel requests $2.2bn for withdrawal

SloMax · 07-11-2005, 06:31 AM

For years US has requested the Israels withdrawal from Gaza Strip when the security situation is relatively OK, but now it has to pay the bill? Does this trouble US tax-payers?

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Israel requests extra US $2.2bn

Israel is asking Washington for $2.2bn in additional aid to help fund its withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and four small West Bank settlements.

Israeli officials say most of the money will be used to pay for developing the Negev and Galilee regions - where the bulk of the settlers will be resettled.

One third of the sum, officials say, will go towards the relocation of Israeli military bases.

Washington has already agreed to the sum in principle.

Reports say that the amount is much bigger than previous estimates of about $500m.

An Israeli delegation led by the head of the Israeli prime minister's office, Ilan Cohen, is in Washington for meetings with US officials. The US team is expected to be led by Elliot Abrams, the deputy National Security Adviser.

Israel receives an estimated US $3bn annually form the US.

Israeli disengagement form Gaza is due to begin in August.

Approximately 8,500 settlers and the soldiers that protect them are due to be withdrawn from Gaza. Israel will maintain control over Gaza's borders, coastline and airspace.

About 630 settlers will also be removed from four small West Bank settlements.

link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4671169.stm

giggs88 · 07-11-2005, 06:36 AM

How nice. Go in there, level it, and ask for money to come back out.

**Shek** · 07-11-2005, 06:54 AM

On one hand, it upsets me to have to pay towards that, but then again, it is a step towards solving the "Palestinian" problem, so I'm for it. I'd rather see the money go towards helping to train the Palestinian security forces that will be responsible for securing the Gaza strip. The few articles that I have seen make it seem like they won't be up to the task of keeping the terrorists disarmed, so that will mean potential Israeli incursions in the future to swat down budding terrorists, which won't help things. The media should pull their heads out of their a$$ and go report on that instead of trying make Iraq a quagmire from their hotel rooms with stringers feeding them reports. Gaza and the West Bank will continue to be Islamic extremist propaganda grounds even with the creation of a Palestinian state.

SloMax · 07-11-2005, 07:29 AM

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On one hand, it upsets me to have to pay towards that, but then again, it is a step towards solving the "Palestinian" problem, so I'm for it. I'd rather see the money go towards helping to train the Palestinian security forces that will be responsible for securing the Gaza strip.

I agree on that. I rather see money going for the withdrawal then for Israel's Defence Forces.

Leader · 07-11-2005, 11:56 AM

"Does this trouble US tax-payers?"

Not really

Lord General · 07-23-2005, 07:00 AM

During Isreal's pullout, they're also destroying everything there. And they have permission to do so. So basically, the Palestinians have to build the houses/roads/buildings up again. I already know the reason behind that, but that is pure b.s.

**Shek** · 07-23-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord General

During Isreal's pullout, they're also destroying everything there. And they have permission to do so. So basically, the Palestinians have to build the houses/roads/buildings up again. I already know the reason behind that, but that is pure b.s.

This wasn't a unilateral decision by Israel. My understanding is that the PA wanted this. Probably has to do something with the fact that the Jews built the infrastructure. Maybe Hamas and Hezbollah will build some refugee camps and they can turn them into terrorist camps later on.

**ZFBoxcar** · 07-23-2005, 09:18 AM

Indeed the PA asked for them to be destroyed. Part of the reason is the need for high rise apartment complexes, while the settlements are one-family houses.

Asim Aquil · 07-23-2005, 09:27 AM

Pay up and get over with it. Ask the Arab$, to contribute as well.

highsea · 07-23-2005, 11:33 AM

I wouldn't give them one dime. If the EU and Arab states want to contribute, I would agree to match their contributions. The funds should be managed by some NGO under UN auspices or something like that. The money should not be used to relocate the settlers to disputed areas like the West Bank.

The US pays billions to Israel in aid. Only a portion of that money is spent in the US. Israel is the only country that receives military aid under these terms. They can take the money and invest in in Elbit and the IAI, etc, to build their own arms industry, which then competes with US companies on the International market.

Israel built these settlements against the will of the US and the UN. Indirectly this is funded by the US, because it's money they don't have to spend on defense. Now we are being asked to fund their removal and the relocation of the settlers, then we will be asked to fund the rebuilding by the Palestinians. The Israelis will relocate to other disputed areas, build new settlements, and the cycle will continue.

SloMax · 07-23-2005, 11:45 AM

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Ask the Arab$, to contribute as well.

, good joke!

bigross86 · 07-23-2005, 14:51 PM

I couldn't care less one way or the other, cuz it doesn't concern me in the least, but don't you think the money would be better off going to something decent where you know the money is actually go to where it belongs (this), as opposed to something where you know the money is gonna go towards terrorism (PA)?

highsea · 07-23-2005, 15:02 PM

I'm not for funding the PA either, Arafat squirreled away hundreds of millions of the US taxpayer's dollars for his own benefit.

As far as I am concerned, every American dollar should be managed by NGO's that are under US control and held accountable to the Congress. If the money comes from International donors, then it should be managed by NGO's under UN auspices, with oversight by the donor nations.

Asim Aquil · 07-23-2005, 15:16 PM

No seriously, I hear "We're ready to do this n that for Palestine" out of Arab mouths, why not a little cash? Many of them just blow it on Russian hookers. This much money's nothing for them. And we have ZERO taxes here, so I guess no pressure on the local populace anyway.

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highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,478	I wouldn't give them one dime. If the EU and Arab states want to contribute, I would agree to match their contributions. The funds should be managed by some NGO under UN auspices or something like that. The money should not be used to relocate the settlers to disputed areas like the West Bank. The US pays billions to Israel in aid. Only a portion of that money is spent in the US. Israel is the only country that receives military aid under these terms. They can take the money and invest in in Elbit and the IAI, etc, to build their own arms industry, which then competes with US companies on the International market. Israel built these settlements against the will of the US and the UN. Indirectly this is funded by the US, because it's money they don't have to spend on defense. Now we are being asked to fund their removal and the relocation of the settlers, then we will be asked to fund the rebuilding by the Palestinians. The Israelis will relocate to other disputed areas, build new settlements, and the cycle will continue. __________________ My baby called me up. She said- Why don't you ever take me out? Pick me up in your brand new car....You shake the short change from the old fruit jar...

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bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	I couldn't care less one way or the other, cuz it doesn't concern me in the least, but don't you think the money would be better off going to something decent where you know the money is actually go to where it belongs (this), as opposed to something where you know the money is gonna go towards terrorism (PA)? __________________ You're a naughty girl, go to my room!

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07-11-2005, 06:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
giggs88 Banished Join Date: 05-08-05 Posts: 1,061	How nice. Go in there, level it, and ask for money to come back out.

07-11-2005, 06:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
Shek *Military Professional* Moderator Join Date: 02-23-05 Location: Krblachistan Posts: 7,629 Country:	On one hand, it upsets me to have to pay towards that, but then again, it is a step towards solving the "Palestinian" problem, so I'm for it. I'd rather see the money go towards helping to train the Palestinian security forces that will be responsible for securing the Gaza strip. The few articles that I have seen make it seem like they won't be up to the task of keeping the terrorists disarmed, so that will mean potential Israeli incursions in the future to swat down budding terrorists, which won't help things. The media should pull their heads out of their a$$ and go report on that instead of trying make Iraq a quagmire from their hotel rooms with stringers feeding them reports. Gaza and the West Bank will continue to be Islamic extremist propaganda grounds even with the creation of a Palestinian state.

07-23-2005, 07:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
Lord General Banished Join Date: 07-12-05 Posts: 296	During Isreal's pullout, they're also destroying everything there. And they have permission to do so. So basically, the Palestinians have to build the houses/roads/buildings up again. I already know the reason behind that, but that is pure b.s.

07-23-2005, 09:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
ZFBoxcar Moderator Join Date: 08-03-03 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,125 Country:	Indeed the PA asked for them to be destroyed. Part of the reason is the need for high rise apartment complexes, while the settlements are one-family houses.

07-23-2005, 09:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Pay up and get over with it. Ask the Arab$, to contribute as well.

07-23-2005, 15:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,478	I'm not for funding the PA either, Arafat squirreled away hundreds of millions of the US taxpayer's dollars for his own benefit. As far as I am concerned, every American dollar should be managed by NGO's that are under US control and held accountable to the Congress. If the money comes from International donors, then it should be managed by NGO's under UN auspices, with oversight by the donor nations.

07-23-2005, 15:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	No seriously, I hear "We're ready to do this n that for Palestine" out of Arab mouths, why not a little cash? Many of them just blow it on Russian hookers. This much money's nothing for them. And we have ZERO taxes here, so I guess no pressure on the local populace anyway.

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