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Old 06-04-2005, 09:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Should Palestine become a STATE??

I'd love to know your opinions on this topic of whether or not you agree or disagree over Palistine becoming an independant STATE ???

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Old 06-04-2005, 11:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd love to know your opinions on this topic of whether or not you agree or disagree over Palistine becoming an independant STATE ???

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What kind of state? One that is a terrorist harboring dictatorship? I wouldn't support that.

If it's peaceful and democratic, I could support that, but I've seen little sign of such progress.
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Old 06-04-2005, 13:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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One that is a terrorist harboring dictatorship? I wouldn't support that.

If it's peaceful and democratic, I could support that
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Old 06-04-2005, 23:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Regardless....

Regardless of what kind of state it should become, Is it a state?

If it is, should Israel stop its hostilities towards Palestinians??

(hostilities = 9pm curfues, can't enter palestine again once you leave it and enter Israel etc.)
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Old 06-04-2005, 23:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If it is, should Israel stop its hostilities towards Palestinians??

(hostilities = 9pm curfues, can't enter palestine again once you leave it and enter Israel etc.)
Are Palestinians going to stop their hostilities towards Israel?

(Hostilities= purposefully targeting school children, blowing up night clubs, firing rockets and morters blindly into population centers, etc.)
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Old 06-05-2005, 12:01 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Regardless of what kind of state it should become, Is it a state?
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If it is, should Israel stop its hostilities towards Palestinians??
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Old 06-05-2005, 12:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The difference between Israeli and Palestinain aggression is that the Israeli tax payer and government support and commit the aggression, the Palestinian has no say as to what Hamas does.

I think if Israel was serious it'd stop the aggression and work side by side Palestinain forces and Palestinian people to root out Hamas and thier kind and to stop them attacking the cause of both sides.
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the Palestinian has no say as to what Hamas does.
Turn in the terrorists.
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Old 06-05-2005, 18:01 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Seeing as Hamas is now the government in parts of the Gaza Strip, and Fatah, which is the group that started the Oslo War (Second Intifadah), IS the party controlling the PA, the Palestinians indeed support the aggression (definitly if you apply the same standard to Palestinians as to Israelis). In fact, "aggression" seems to poll higher among Palestinians than among Israelis...not to mention the fact that it was the Palestinians who started the current conflict, making all Israeli actions retaliatory. You can't equate how a country retaliates against aggression with the opening act of war.

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Old 06-06-2005, 09:27 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Seeing as Hamas is now the government in parts of the Gaza Strip, and Fatah, which is the group that started the Oslo War (Second Intifadah), IS the party controlling the PA, the Palestinians indeed support the aggression (definitly if you apply the same standard to Palestinians as to Israelis). In fact, "aggression" seems to poll higher among Palestinians than among Israelis...not to mention the fact that it was the Palestinians who started the current conflict, making all Israeli actions retaliatory. You can't equate how a country retaliates against aggression with the opening act of war.
Good thing they finished building the wall. It has brought down bombings and terrorist activities drastically, hasnt it ?
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:39 AM   #11 (permalink)
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However just maybe the cause, taking innocent persons life is not an answer to it. So first palestinians should stop their terror & then expect something from isreal
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Old 06-06-2005, 18:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Good thing they finished building the wall. It has brought down bombings and terrorist activities drastically, hasnt it ?
It has reduced terrorist infliltration of Israel by something like 90% and its not even finished! I think it is about half done. The last time the media talked about it, it was a third complete, but that was a lot of months ago and I assume construction has continued.
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Old 06-07-2005, 01:44 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't understand this, who are the Palestineans? Do they have a past before they started calling themselves that starting in 67? No, they are arabs from neighboring countries and ARE NOT NATIVES OF ISRAEL. There is 22 arab nations in Middle east (I think, I guessed) and they deserve another country? No they don't. I have a solution, how about they go to Jordan and rename it to Palestine, that will be their country. What how they done to deserve a country? Have their leaders actually attempted to disarm Hamas? No, have they given any concessions? No. The facts are that the arabs that call themselves "Palestineans" have broken treaties constantly and still do to this day, the leaders won't persecute the terrorists, the terrorists haven't stopped and our great and glorius leader (Bush) makes Israel give them a huge chunk of land to form a hostile terrorist state. It makes you wonder what the Muslims will do to get more land, will they say Mohammaed swam to the U.S. and rode on a horse to New York? It's just as plausible as saying he went to Israel and that is where he ascended to heaven. You guys probably don't get daily news from Israel-the good and bad. I would suggest going to http://www.israelnationalnews.com/
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I don't understand this, who are the Palestineans? Do they have a past before they started calling themselves that starting in 67? No, they are arabs from neighboring countries and ARE NOT NATIVES OF ISRAEL. There is 22 arab nations in Middle east (I think, I guessed) and they deserve another country? No they don't. I have a solution, how about they go to Jordan and rename it to Palestine, that will be their country. What how they done to deserve a country? Have their leaders actually attempted to disarm Hamas? No, have they given any concessions? No. The facts are that the arabs that call themselves "Palestineans" have broken treaties constantly and still do to this day, the leaders won't persecute the terrorists, the terrorists haven't stopped and our great and glorius leader (Bush) makes Israel give them a huge chunk of land to form a hostile terrorist state. It makes you wonder what the Muslims will do to get more land, will they say Mohammaed swam to the U.S. and rode on a horse to New York? It's just as plausible as saying he went to Israel and that is where he ascended to heaven. You guys probably don't get daily news from Israel-the good and bad. I would suggest going to http://www.israelnationalnews.com/
The Palestinians do have historical ties to the same lands as Israel and do deserve a state as long as they can prove that they can live in peaceful co-existance with Israel. Also, Israel is not innocent in creating the conditions that have allowed Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Hezbollah, to become popular among Palestinians. That being said, there is still no excuse for terrorism to be committed and the Arab states are just as complicit in the popularity and existence of these terrorist groups (they never wanted a Palestinian state until the past twenty years or so).
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My professional, personal and esteemed opinion is that there's no way in hell we should ever give them a state, and short of a full peace, which I don't see coming, bring up the curfews to 8PM, and continue with the other so called "atrocities"
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