ZFBoxcar

There is no such thing as a strong race, if I am persecutred a lot, it does not mean that my decendents 10 generations later will necessarily be stronger than I was. In fact, they would likely be less strong if they did not have to go through the same thing. Race is a primitive concept used to stir up emotions.

If we assumed that your racial arguments had any validity, I would say this applies more strongly to the Jews, especially since both the Arabs and Slavs had large powerful empires watching out for them for most of the last thousand years, and even when they were weak, nobody tried to exterminate them (well to be fair, Hitler was in all probability planning the extermination of the Slavs, but he did not get to come close to realizing his plan). However, I would not say that I am somehow stronger than you because my ancestors may have sufferered more (actually, my grandmothers family was massacred in front of her by your poor helpless Slavs and my ancestors were subject to frequent pogroms in Slavic countries, and much of my family lives in constant threat of war and death from the Arabs...no hard feelings of course since I am aware that concept of race is stupid, and so it would of course be wrong to blame any Slav that was not around in those times). Wow, that was a long bracket.

But yes, anyways, if you are arguing that the Palestinians deserve sympathy cause they are a strong "race" who have survived persecution, than that argument applies to the Jews as well, and you also only choose to focus on the Palestinian hurts, while not looking at the Palestinian massacres of Jews in the pre-state era, the campaign to eradicate Israel by the entire Arab world against an outnumbered Israel, and what a sick bunch of thugs the PLO and Hamas are.

Ray

If secularism comes to Israel, then it will face the issues that plague India!

ZFBoxcar

When Israel was created Ben-Gurion (Israel's first PM) cut a deal with the religious and the secular giving the religious control over 5 areas (Kashrut, Sabbath, Jewish burial and marital issues, and Jewish status of immigrants), and the secularists control over everything else. What this comes down to is that there is no civil marriage in Israel, it is very difficult to find non-Kosher restaurants, you can't drive in Orthodox neighbourhoods on Saturdays, and if you convert to Judaism in order to immigrate to Israel, you have to do it through Orthodox rabbis. Other than that, Israeli law is mostly secular and a religious party has never been the dominant party in any Israeli government. Labor and Likud are secular, and the third biggest party, Shinui, is anti-religion.

Neo

Sir,

Isn't Israel already a secular state?

Neo

Well said and very true Leader!

Leader

You are.

The fact that individuals with the same ethnicity as you have endured certain things thousands of years ago is not even a little relevant to whether you and the people that happen to have the same ethnicity today are "strong."

Slavs aren't naturally stronger then anyone else that happens to have a different ethnicity.

Neither of which has any effect on your individual "strength."

Ethnicity or skin color

No. Strength is a relative term.

They are humans. Who, regardless of race, have survived for millions of years.

Not more then anyone else.

There is no "us." If you weren't alive at the time and survived those events, you have no right to claim that you are stronger because of them.

No its not ok.

Individual Slavs are not naturally "stronger" in any way then individual members of any other "race."

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TruSlav

bull

U r feeling doesnt matter when it comes to savings ones citizens.Where are ur feelings when outlaws rampage thru the streets of palestine,challenging the very palestenian authority.Where are ur feelings when these outlaws fire rockets at civiliand,where are ur feelign when they blow themselves up in market or bus???

Dont u feel for that?Dont you see that?

Rights?What u want the rights to be gifted to you.No mate u have to work for that.

Israeli rights came into existance bcoz they built it, they built it up themselves,they have a democracy,they have legal system and a law enforcement machinery.

Israelis do whatever is necessary to keep their citizens safe.Now what do you want israelis to patrol the streets of palestine???

U still dont know?U get what u deserve.

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Maevi

You should have travelled to Israel and then entered into the West Bank, you would have still got your wedding, I had no problems entering into the West Bank last month. I'm afraid you will find it rather impossible to try to get a flight to "Palestine" being as there is no international airport in Gaza or Ramallah.

Israeli Arabs are treated with decency, I have seen enough of this myself, if you are referring to Palestinians, who are living in Gaza or the West Bank, then no, they will not be treated in the same way as those who live within Israel's borders, because who do you trust? you tell me who is wearing a suicide belt or not? what do you want? Israel to open the flood gates and allow every Hamas, Al Aqsa Brigades, Islamic Jihad, Fatah and Hizbullah terrorists to come flooding into Israeli cities and towns and blowing up every Israeli they can?

You may not call Israel by the name of Israel, that's your choice, there are alot of people who deny Israels right of existence, but was not Palestine called Philistine? and was not the lands before that called Canaan?

If the terrorists who reside within Palestinian lands stopped the bombings, then things would settle down, the PA need to bring some kind of order to the region, and until things are sorted out, then there is not going to be any peace.

I don't know where you get the idea that Palestinians cannot leave their homes, they are not prisoners in their homes you know? obviously you need to take a visit to Israel instead of hearing such fairy tales. I have been to Israel, members of my community are Israelis and I have not yet seen a Palestinian tied up in his home that he cannot leave it, and I can assure you, I know of Palestinians who live in Haifa, I am quite aware that they can leave their homes and return to them again, without being refused their rights!

I was in the West Bank in September and again, the Palestinians were not all confined to their homes, they were going about their daily lives, in fact, they were very welcoming towards us, we had a nice meal in a Palestinian restaurant, I didn't see any Palestinians banished from their homes because they were not in them!

You really need to sort out your facts before you come out with such stories!

The destruction of the homes, I take it, you mean the terrorists houses in Gaza, well, you can't expect the likes of Hamas to get away with blowing up innocent men, women and children do you? you know, if the Israelis took the same approach as Hamas, Al Aqsa etc. we'd see one huge bloodbath wouldn't we? I mean, plenty of suicide bombings, but thanks be to G-d, the Israelis do not want to die and they are not content on walking into a crowded restaurant with a suicide belt on, for the sole purpose of wiping out lots of innocent civilians!

dotcom457

Absolutely not. First of all there is no such thing as Palestine. What you're alluding to is a bunch of loosely knit nomads parading around Israel as Palestinians and creating constant warfare. They are useless vagabonds whom no Arab country wants to take in. Israel ought to expel every damned one of them as Meir Kahane once exhorted. Fill up buses, trucks, trains, ships, planes, use mules, camels, horses, Good Humor trucks, U-Hauls and caravan their sorry asses out of a Jewish nation formed from the sweat and blood of Holocaust survivors. And by the way, these Pallie parasites and their Arab brothers helped foster the Holocaust by fighting alongside Hitler during W.W.II.

dotcom457

TruSlav

I don't completely agree with that statement. My fiance is a Palestinian and he works hard for every dollar he earns. I know his family, and though some of them still live in refugee communities, they 9to5 it as well. His entire family has a strong work ethic, and several of them even own their own businesses. He is working for a company that pays him well, and he recently got a promotion to lead the company's Asian branch, and he didn't get that job with his looks.

dotcom457

All the guys you've dated have been Arab or Indian? Yet you're a Slav? Aren't Slavs, white? Did you date men of color to make a statement or are you an advocate of miscegenation? If so, is it because you want to get back at cruel parents? I know a lily white girl who married a very dark AfroAmerican as payback but as it turned out, her parents accepted Leon and now they have no time on their hands because of three adorable daughters, Lonjean, Elgin and Bulova.

Be it as it may, I don't understand your support of Palestinians based on your ethnicity. Yes, the Slavs struggled but how about the Jews? They've struggled much more than Slavs; in fact, much of Jewish struggle was because of Slavish anti-Semitism. Now your mind sees Palestinian usurpers of Jewish land, Palestinian maniacal bombers and assassins, as being in the same struggle as your own people? That is truly a one sided view of things, isn't it? Why do you feel that Pallie nutjobs are entitled to anything in Israel in light of four major wars foisted upon Israel by Pallie brethern? Your sympathies are misplaced.

dotcom457

Bluesman

Well, there certainly WAS, once upon a time. Not saying there should be again. Personally, I happen to be against it, too, although you have no idea how much the thought of being in agreement with you about ANYthing disgusts me.

Well. Aren't you just the fount of human kindness, then? Holding Kahane up as someone to be admired...He was a black-hearted creature of hatred, and so are you, you racist *******.

Perhaps even cattle cars. THAT would certainly be ironic. Efficient, too, from what I'm led to believe.

And formed from the largesse of most Western nations, particularly MINE. Let's not forget the American taxpayer that has done so much to carve out that country, shall we?

Not a terrific student of history, then, are we, dotcom? As I read the accounts of the fostering of the Holocaust, no Nazi ever took the advice of any Arab.


Mods, this is nothing but a troll, a jerk, a hate-filled insect that should be immediately and forever banned.

KILL!!!

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astralis

bluesman,

agree with you whole heartedly. with this comment,

he's more than eligible for banning. he begs for it.

Neo

Dude, you're just an ignorant a$$hole.
Bye bye