Israel Strongest Player in MidEast

bigross86 · 09-23-2003, 02:18 AM

According to these figures recently released, Israel is perhaps the strongest country and has the largest military force in most of the Middle East

Israel
538 Airplanes
3,930 MBT's
8,000 APC/IFV's
1348 Cannons
186,500 Regular Forces
445,000 Reserve Forces
239 Helicopters

Iran
207 Airplanes
1,700 MBT's
1,570 APC/IFV's
2,700 Cannons
520,000 Regular Forces
350,000 Reserve Forces
345 Helicopters

Syria
490 Airplanes
3,700 MBT's
5,060 APC/IFV's
2,600 Cannons
380,000 Regular Forces
132,500 Reserve Forces
225 Helicopters

Saudi Arabia
345 Airplanes
750 MBT's
4,630 APC/IFV's
410 Cannons
171,500 Regular Forces
20,000 Reserve Forces
214 Helicopters

Jordan
91 Airplanes
990 MBT's
1,606 APC/IFV's
838 Cannons
100,700 Regular Forces
60,000 Reserve Forces
74 Helicopters

Egypt
505 Airplanes
3,000 MBT's
3,400 APC/IFV's
3,530 Cannons
450,000 Regular Forces
254,000 Reserve Forces
225 Helicopters

Jay · 09-25-2003, 04:35 AM

but again Israel is not gonna fight with them Arab countries seperately, it'll be all out once! and as usual the result is pretty obvious :D

bigross86 · 09-25-2003, 05:00 AM

Safe to assume Egypt and Jordan won't fight. Which leaves Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia can't/won't, which leaves Iran and Syria. Iran is too far away to be a major player.

Praxus · 09-25-2003, 15:28 PM

Egypt may have Abrams tanks but they have to pass through over 100 miles of open desert on the Siani. Let's not forget Israel has the trump card. Over 300 Nuclear weapons that is. If it comes down to it, Israel could stop any advance by Arab countries.

**TopHatter** · 09-25-2003, 16:23 PM

And in my humble opinion, the Israelis will not shrink from using nuclear weapons if the situation was desperate enough. Nor should they shrink from it, again in my humble opinion.
I think Syria is the only country who would be a possibilty to attack Israel directly with a conventional force. I just can't see them doing that. I mean, once you've beaten your head up against a brick wall several times, you start to realize that the brick wall just ain't gonna budge :brick It would still be fun to see them try though (in the abstract that is) :dbanana

Jay · 09-25-2003, 16:31 PM

well also these numbers are misleading!

Israel's 530 odd planes are totally in a different league than 400 odd planes in Syria :lol

**TopHatter** · 09-25-2003, 16:36 PM

Oh you mean there's a difference between a MiG-21 and an F-15?:D And should we even bother to talk about the differences between an Israeli pilot and a Syrian pilot? Nah, I'll just re-read that stuff on the Bekaa Valley back in the early Eighties ('82 wasnt it?). Talk about a turkey shoot :clap:

Jay · 09-25-2003, 17:05 PM

Turkey shoot...hmm i call them target practice :dbanana

Ray · 09-26-2003, 01:16 AM

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From Times of India Sep 28

Air Force Pilots' Mutiny Shocks Israel

'Israel is reeling from the shock refusal of a group of air force pilots to carry out missions against Palestinians militants in which civilians could be killed.

'The Pilot's Mutiny' was how Israel's largest newspaper 'Yedioth Ahronoth' described ….speculated…whether other soldiers will follow suit….

****************************************

I am posting this here since this pertains to the Israeli Air Force, even though not quite along with this thread.

This is a most extraordinary development especially when the militants have stepped up their terrorist strike the world over. I wonder what could have caused this quirk in behaviour.

This will have repercussion on the roadmap to the Palestinian Question. I just hope it will not cause suicide bombings to be stepped up since such violent and thoughtless actions lead to nowhere. There has been enough bloodletting. It has got to stop.

Since I have very little idea about Israel poltical environment, could some one explain all this? I believe that the Israeli armed forces are very professional.

**TopHatter** · 09-26-2003, 11:11 AM

Check a couple of threads down, there is an AP article post on there as well

s_qwert63 · 10-21-2003, 17:32 PM

The outcome of every middle eastern conflict will be simple nowadays: Israel will win.
Unlike in 1973, Israel will not have to fight for its survival.
With the backing of the United States, if the tables will turn against Israel there will be either massive indirect involvement from the US or even direct involvement, especially with the US now in Iraq.
If the Arabs had resiliance they would have wiped the floor with Israel either in 1967 or 1973, but unfortunately (or fortunately for the Jews) resiliance and willpower is one thing they lack!

and one more thing bigross:
numbers mean nothing at all!

Leader · 10-21-2003, 18:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by s_qwert63
and one more thing bigross:
numbers mean nothing at all!

Your wrong. Proof: If I have one gun and you have none. You lose. There numbers mean something.

Praxus · 10-21-2003, 18:25 PM

Quote:

and one more thing bigross:
numbers mean nothing at all

Your right, Israel has more and theirs is better.

s_qwert63 · 10-21-2003, 18:27 PM

I mean in the broader context.
For example the French Army outnumbered the Wehrmacht in every field in 1940. In tanks, airplanes, manpower and artillery. They still lost however.
Let me make this a bit clearer for you: it is not the size of your ****, it is how you use it!

s_qwert63 · 10-21-2003, 18:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Praxus
Your right, Israel has more and theirs is better.

right...
I see you are not advanced in mathermatics.

09-23-2003, 02:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	Israel Strongest Player in MidEast According to these figures recently released, Israel is perhaps the strongest country and has the largest military force in most of the Middle East Israel 538 Airplanes 3,930 MBT's 8,000 APC/IFV's 1348 Cannons 186,500 Regular Forces 445,000 Reserve Forces 239 Helicopters Iran 207 Airplanes 1,700 MBT's 1,570 APC/IFV's 2,700 Cannons 520,000 Regular Forces 350,000 Reserve Forces 345 Helicopters Syria 490 Airplanes 3,700 MBT's 5,060 APC/IFV's 2,600 Cannons 380,000 Regular Forces 132,500 Reserve Forces 225 Helicopters Saudi Arabia 345 Airplanes 750 MBT's 4,630 APC/IFV's 410 Cannons 171,500 Regular Forces 20,000 Reserve Forces 214 Helicopters Jordan 91 Airplanes 990 MBT's 1,606 APC/IFV's 838 Cannons 100,700 Regular Forces 60,000 Reserve Forces 74 Helicopters Egypt 505 Airplanes 3,000 MBT's 3,400 APC/IFV's 3,530 Cannons 450,000 Regular Forces 254,000 Reserve Forces 225 Helicopters __________________ You're a naughty girl, go to my room!

09-25-2003, 16:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
TopHatter Administrator Join Date: 09-03-03 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 9,694 Country:	And in my humble opinion, the Israelis will not shrink from using nuclear weapons if the situation was desperate enough. Nor should they shrink from it, again in my humble opinion. I think Syria is the only country who would be a possibilty to attack Israel directly with a conventional force. I just can't see them doing that. I mean, once you've beaten your head up against a brick wall several times, you start to realize that the brick wall just ain't gonna budge :brick It would still be fun to see them try though (in the abstract that is) :dbanana __________________ If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader. ~John Quincy Adams

09-25-2003, 16:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
TopHatter Administrator Join Date: 09-03-03 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 9,694 Country:	Oh you mean there's a difference between a MiG-21 and an F-15?:D And should we even bother to talk about the differences between an Israeli pilot and a Syrian pilot? Nah, I'll just re-read that stuff on the Bekaa Valley back in the early Eighties ('82 wasnt it?). Talk about a turkey shoot :clap: Last edited by TopHatter : 09-25-2003 at 16:38 PM.

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09-25-2003, 04:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jay Tamizhanban *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-03 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 6,191 Country:	but again Israel is not gonna fight with them Arab countries seperately, it'll be all out once! and as usual the result is pretty obvious :D

09-25-2003, 05:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	Safe to assume Egypt and Jordan won't fight. Which leaves Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia can't/won't, which leaves Iran and Syria. Iran is too far away to be a major player.

09-25-2003, 15:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
Praxus *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-26-03 Posts: 3,237	Egypt may have Abrams tanks but they have to pass through over 100 miles of open desert on the Siani. Let's not forget Israel has the trump card. Over 300 Nuclear weapons that is. If it comes down to it, Israel could stop any advance by Arab countries.

09-25-2003, 16:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jay Tamizhanban *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-03 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 6,191 Country:	well also these numbers are misleading! Israel's 530 odd planes are totally in a different league than 400 odd planes in Syria :lol

09-25-2003, 17:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jay Tamizhanban *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-03 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 6,191 Country:	Turkey shoot...hmm i call them target practice :dbanana

09-26-2003, 01:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 26,149 Country:	****************************************** From Times of India Sep 28 Air Force Pilots' Mutiny Shocks Israel 'Israel is reeling from the shock refusal of a group of air force pilots to carry out missions against Palestinians militants in which civilians could be killed. 'The Pilot's Mutiny' was how Israel's largest newspaper 'Yedioth Ahronoth' described ….speculated…whether other soldiers will follow suit…. ************************************** I am posting this here since this pertains to the Israeli Air Force, even though not quite along with this thread. This is a most extraordinary development especially when the militants have stepped up their terrorist strike the world over. I wonder what could have caused this quirk in behaviour. This will have repercussion on the roadmap to the Palestinian Question. I just hope it will not cause suicide bombings to be stepped up since such violent and thoughtless actions lead to nowhere. There has been enough bloodletting. It has got to stop. Since I have very little idea about Israel poltical environment, could some one explain all this? I believe that the Israeli armed forces are very professional.

09-26-2003, 11:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
TopHatter Administrator Join Date: 09-03-03 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 9,694 Country:	Check a couple of threads down, there is an AP article post on there as well

10-21-2003, 17:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
s_qwert63 *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-29-03 Location: everywhere Posts: 759 Country:	The outcome of every middle eastern conflict will be simple nowadays: Israel will win. Unlike in 1973, Israel will not have to fight for its survival. With the backing of the United States, if the tables will turn against Israel there will be either massive indirect involvement from the US or even direct involvement, especially with the US now in Iraq. If the Arabs had resiliance they would have wiped the floor with Israel either in 1967 or 1973, but unfortunately (or fortunately for the Jews) resiliance and willpower is one thing they lack! and one more thing bigross: numbers mean nothing at all!

10-21-2003, 18:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
s_qwert63 *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-29-03 Location: everywhere Posts: 759 Country:	I mean in the broader context. For example the French Army outnumbered the Wehrmacht in every field in 1940. In tanks, airplanes, manpower and artillery. They still lost however. Let me make this a bit clearer for you: it is not the size of your ****, it is how you use it!

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