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Anon

We could have filled those bombers with incendiarys and made the Soviet Union glow in the dark.

Anon

THANK YOU FOR FINALLY INSULTING ME DIRECTLY, Now i get to edit your posts.

Anon

Why do people try to get into pissing match with a moderator?

I have an edit button, you don't Squirt.

What are you trying to accomplish?

If you wish to be banned, just say so.

bigross86

You know, think of how the world would have changed if Eisenhower let whatsisface into Disneyland?

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Ray

How sad.

I came in late and missed the edited parts!:brick

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Anon

He's banned now....fireworks are over.

bigross86

Jeez, Snipe, you take the fun out of everything.

s_qwert63

If you dont like that source i can find others, but im a bit busy right now. [/quote]

what a load of crap! :clap:
whoever wrote that is an idiot.

That article looks like it was written by a pro-zionist 20 year old crackhead. If Soviet and Israeli pilots met each other in the skies, the results would not be as described.
Not only is it a bias source, it is also politically incorrect. There were Soviet pilots in Egypt, not Russian ones. And they were only a minority, because the bulk of Warsaw Pact personnel in Egypt at the tim was from Hungary and Poland.

bigross86

Direct Translation From Israeli Air Force Official Website:

One of the most famous battles in the War of Attrition is the meeting of MiG-21s flown by Russian pilots. On June 30, 1970 during the afternoon Israeli F-4's attacked Radar positions in the Suez Canal area. They were protected by other Phantoms and Mirages. Soon, six flights of four MiG-21's flown by Russian pilots were launched. Within seconds there was a melee in the air with 5 Russian piloted planes being shot down, three by Mirage's and two by Phantoms.

s_qwert63

I'm gonna verify that with my Israeli friends.

bigross86

And when you discover I'm right, will we hear an apology from you? Didn't think so...

bigross86

A plan began forming for a purely Soviet-Israeli confrontation where the Russians were to be taught that they are out of their league. Set to take place a third of the way between the city of Suez and Cairo, 12 of Israel's best fighter pilots, together credited with 59 enemy aircraft kills, were recruited for this specific mission.

On thurday, April 30th, a pair of F-4 Phantoms attacked an Egyptian radar station on the west bank of the Canal, escorted by 4 Mirage IIIs. No Russian response was sighted and the 4 Mirages begun penetrating deeper into Egypt. 12 minutes after the intial penetration 8 Russian Mig-21s were scrambled against the IAF fighters and first contact was made at 14:20. Coming from the east, the Mirages lured the Migs westward towards Cairo, when another quartet of Israeli Mirages appeared behind the Russians. With the confrontation clearly about to take place, every available Russian fighter was launched againt the Mirages and within seconds another 12 Migs were in the air. The air battle began with 8 Mirages facing 20 Mig-21s, but soon 4 Israeli Phantoms which had entered the area below radar coverage appeared from below and joined in the fight. Led by Avihu-Ben-Nun, Israel's first Phantom squadron commander (and IAF chief of staff during the Gulf War of 1991), the new addition to the battle caused the Russians to launch yet another 4 Migs into the air, bringing the total number of aircraft participating in the dog fight to 36 aircraft.

The first Russian loss was shot down by the lead of the first Mirage III quartet, soon followed by an AIM-7 Sparrow kill from Avihu-Ben-Nun's aircraft, and a cannon kill by another Mirage III. After a fourth Mig was shot down by an F-4, the Russian pilots began breaking off. The Israeli fighters started giving chase but were ordered to return to Israel, with a desire by the IAF high command not to see any aircraft loss on the part of the IAF. Details of the dogfight were kept a secret, even from the aircraft ground crews which painted the Egyptian air force emblem as kill markings on the aircraft. Only after the story was published two months later in the British "Daily Express" were these markings changed to the Soviet air force's Red Star. The story revealed that besides the 4 known kills, another damaged aircraft had crashed approaching its air base, bringing the final result to 5:0 in favour of the IAF. Three Russian pilots parachuted to safety and two were killed. The source of the media report was apparently Egyptian, spurred by Russian arrogance and claims of Egyptian incompetence in earlier dealings with the Israeli Air Force.

s_qwert63

well don't you think that a source from the IAF can be biased?
how do you know that those were Soviet pilots and not EAF pilots?

Stinger

"The source of the media report was apparently Egyptian, "
Where the Hell do you get the source being IAF?

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