Israel Strongest Player in MidEast - Page 3

**Ironduke** · 10-21-2003, 20:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by s_qwert63
they are...
but in an event of war they will most likely rather side with the muslims rather than the jews, you have to agree.
anyway im off to sleep, cya 2moz, mazzle.

No, I don't. The animosity between the two is extreme.

Ray · 10-21-2003, 23:39 PM

The strategic equation will soon queer out there in the Middle East. As per the news, Saudi Arabia has signed a nuclear deal with Pakistan!

If Saudi Arabia makes the nukes and the US still continues to haul them over the coals, then they may rebel. Arafat will become the winner. In fact, the Middle East will be a real interesting region to watch with so many players including the US and Russia jockeying for power. Everything else will pale in comparison.

Though the Malaysian PM, Dr Mahatir, said that the Jews rule the world, the Middle East is not far behind as far as cash is concerned,

The plot thickens as they would say in an Agatha Christie mystery thriller!

PiggyWiggy · 10-22-2003, 01:15 AM

I know quite a few lebanese. and they dont like jews. come to think of it, if given the choice, who would in the region?

It comes down to this, lebanese christians and muslims are devided, because of israel. I know some lebanese (he is not the voice for all, but he gave me his opinion) that if lebanon were to fight, he would help muslims regain their territory, because he says they devided them up in the first place.

Which is true. dont see this in the point as ISRAEL is our ally, see it as what is right or wrong.

Indians and ***** are practically the same, religion seperates them, it didnt a 100 yrs ago, but the british took advantage of this and divided a strong nation.

kind of like what is going on here, just subsitute.

**ZFBoxcar** · 10-22-2003, 01:27 AM

the lebanese civil war started before Israel got involved.

PiggyWiggy · 10-22-2003, 01:37 AM

really?

wow.

exactly how do you know this? read from an article perhaps?

Anon · 10-22-2003, 02:58 AM

A cheiftain will not even physicly fit in the cargo hold of a C-130. Even if it would, the Herc would never get off the ground. A Herc can't even handle an M-2 Bradley.

Anon · 10-22-2003, 03:01 AM

"about their range:
well the C130's could fly over Saudi Arabia, in an event of war against Israel it is highly likely that they will permit a fly over their air space.
they do also have a refuelling capability.
they would most likely airlift troops in boeing 707's however, those do have the range to get to syria across the route you assigned.
i have to agree however that the state of the IIAF is quite poor."

What is the Israeli airforce doing during all this? Taking a nap?

Anon · 10-22-2003, 03:02 AM

The route you drew on that map is about 3 times the range of a Herc when loaded with cargo.

bigross86 · 10-22-2003, 10:57 AM

First, the IAF is the best in the region excepting maybe the USAF.

Second, I think that like in 1967, when the IDF sees a large military buildup against them, there will be preemptive strikes against airfields, troop emplacements, tank laagers, etc...

Third, due to the US presence in the region, and the fact that the US and Israel are allies, nothing will fly without permission, and this can be enforced.

Fourth, the Merkava Mk III is arguably one of the top four tanks in the world (along with Abrams, Challenger and Leo), and it's definitely better than any equipment that the Arabs have. The IDF is also much better trained than the Arab armies.

In conclusion, I see a complete Israeli military victory. The IDF has been at the gates of Damascus before, no reason they can't do it again.

**Ironduke** · 10-22-2003, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PiggyWiggy
Indians and ***** are practically the same, religion seperates them, it didnt a 100 yrs ago, but the british took advantage of this and divided a strong nation.

Paki is considered a racist term by alot of Pakistanis, in America it really isn't, but we decided along time ago not to use it here.

Praxus · 10-22-2003, 11:21 AM

Quote:

read carefully:
"Or would they fly around the Arabian peninsula, up the Red Sea, over the Suez Canal, and over to Syria?"

see attachment!

We got destroyers, frigates, and cruisers in the area you are flying over, they won't make it more then 50 miles before they get shot down.

The Siani is well within the range of Radars in Israel.

Then of course you are forgetting the 75 F-15 Fighters, 70 Upgraded F-4 Fighters, and 232 F-16 Fighters.

Israel has 17 batterys of HAWK SAMS, 3 Patriot Batteries, 8 Chapparal Batteries, and probley around a thousand stingers, and of course the lovely Arrow 2.

In that map you drew they pass over areas with American Destroyers and Cruisers, and areas well within Israels area of control.

Anon · 10-22-2003, 15:04 PM

"First, the IAF is the best in the region excepting maybe the USAF. "

LOL, don't start this again BR.

Praxus · 10-22-2003, 15:10 PM

He should have said

"The best in the region excluding the USAF"

Stinger · 10-22-2003, 15:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Praxus
and probley around a thousand stingers,

Which is THE best SAM there is... of course I'm slightly biased given my name and all.....

Jay · 10-22-2003, 16:12 PM

may be we also need to include those ballistic missiles and SLBM's in the equation??

Iran has a considerable BM force and Israel has nukes and nuke tipped cruise missiles.

Its pretty much like a deadlock, India Vs Pakistan. But the blood may be boil and everything will come crashing down.

What about Israel's supply route in case of a war?? Say if the war goeson for more than a week, is Israel self sufficient of Oil and etc??

10-21-2003, 23:39 PM	#32 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 25,693 Country:	The strategic equation will soon queer out there in the Middle East. As per the news, Saudi Arabia has signed a nuclear deal with Pakistan! If Saudi Arabia makes the nukes and the US still continues to haul them over the coals, then they may rebel. Arafat will become the winner. In fact, the Middle East will be a real interesting region to watch with so many players including the US and Russia jockeying for power. Everything else will pale in comparison. Though the Malaysian PM, Dr Mahatir, said that the Jews rule the world, the Middle East is not far behind as far as cash is concerned, The plot thickens as they would say in an Agatha Christie mystery thriller! __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

10-22-2003, 10:57 AM	#39 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	First, the IAF is the best in the region excepting maybe the USAF. Second, I think that like in 1967, when the IDF sees a large military buildup against them, there will be preemptive strikes against airfields, troop emplacements, tank laagers, etc... Third, due to the US presence in the region, and the fact that the US and Israel are allies, nothing will fly without permission, and this can be enforced. Fourth, the Merkava Mk III is arguably one of the top four tanks in the world (along with Abrams, Challenger and Leo), and it's definitely better than any equipment that the Arabs have. The IDF is also much better trained than the Arab armies. In conclusion, I see a complete Israeli military victory. The IDF has been at the gates of Damascus before, no reason they can't do it again. __________________ You're a naughty girl, go to my room!

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10-22-2003, 01:15 AM	#33 (permalink)
PiggyWiggy Patron Join Date: 10-17-03 Location: California Posts: 235	I know quite a few lebanese. and they dont like jews. come to think of it, if given the choice, who would in the region? It comes down to this, lebanese christians and muslims are devided, because of israel. I know some lebanese (he is not the voice for all, but he gave me his opinion) that if lebanon were to fight, he would help muslims regain their territory, because he says they devided them up in the first place. Which is true. dont see this in the point as ISRAEL is our ally, see it as what is right or wrong. Indians and ***** are practically the same, religion seperates them, it didnt a 100 yrs ago, but the british took advantage of this and divided a strong nation. kind of like what is going on here, just subsitute.

10-22-2003, 01:27 AM	#34 (permalink)
ZFBoxcar Moderator Join Date: 08-03-03 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,121 Country:	the lebanese civil war started before Israel got involved.

10-22-2003, 01:37 AM	#35 (permalink)
PiggyWiggy Patron Join Date: 10-17-03 Location: California Posts: 235	really? wow. exactly how do you know this? read from an article perhaps?

10-22-2003, 02:58 AM	#36 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 1	A cheiftain will not even physicly fit in the cargo hold of a C-130. Even if it would, the Herc would never get off the ground. A Herc can't even handle an M-2 Bradley.

10-22-2003, 03:01 AM	#37 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 1	"about their range: well the C130's could fly over Saudi Arabia, in an event of war against Israel it is highly likely that they will permit a fly over their air space. they do also have a refuelling capability. they would most likely airlift troops in boeing 707's however, those do have the range to get to syria across the route you assigned. i have to agree however that the state of the IIAF is quite poor." What is the Israeli airforce doing during all this? Taking a nap?

10-22-2003, 03:02 AM	#38 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 1	The route you drew on that map is about 3 times the range of a Herc when loaded with cargo.

10-22-2003, 15:04 PM	#42 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 1	"First, the IAF is the best in the region excepting maybe the USAF. " LOL, don't start this again BR.

10-22-2003, 15:10 PM	#43 (permalink)
Praxus *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-26-03 Posts: 3,237	He should have said "The best in the region excluding the USAF"

10-22-2003, 16:12 PM	#45 (permalink)
Jay Tamizhanban *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-03 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 6,108 Country:	may be we also need to include those ballistic missiles and SLBM's in the equation?? Iran has a considerable BM force and Israel has nukes and nuke tipped cruise missiles. Its pretty much like a deadlock, India Vs Pakistan. But the blood may be boil and everything will come crashing down. What about Israel's supply route in case of a war?? Say if the war goeson for more than a week, is Israel self sufficient of Oil and etc??

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