Ironduke

Source: BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel approves settlement growth

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Stan187

"But the decision provoked an angry reaction from Palestinian leaders"

Hell, what DOESN'T provoke an angry reaction from Palestinians today?

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troung

Well expanding already illegal settlements won't make them happy...

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Stan187

I don't consider them illegal.

As far as what makes Palestinian leaders happy, death seems to be the only universal thing.

troung

Israel defies freeze on illegal settlements - Middle East, World - Independent.co.uk
I can literally post a million links to back up the accepted illegality (even the US beats around the issue).

Goes to the forth Geneva convention (Israel signed in 1951), which also out laws the collective punishment and torture along with population resettlements.

They were not blowing themselves up one hundred years ago.

Stan187

No, they were not blowing themselves up a hundred years ago, most of their ancestors weren't living there 100 years ago, either.

You can post a million links to accepted illegality? I can post a million links to bad pornography. Both are components of the same trash bin.

Israelis living in the land won during war in light of Arab aggression is no more illegal than Poles living in parts of Poland that were previously German territory.

troung

Yeah most of the Israelis weren't there 100 years ago .

Tronic

Actually, they have a very valid reason to be pissed off. Why hold "peace" talks with the Palestinians if Israel itself does not want peace in the first place? Otherwise, why would Israel do something which it fully knows will derail the peace process?

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Stan187

Yes, they totally derailed the peace process you are right, they are evil. So evil that they launch rockets at the other side's civilians every day.. oh, wait, that's what Palestinians do. So evil are the Israelis that they kicked all the Palestianians out of Jerusalem.. oh wait, they actually allowed the savage who ended up bombing the yeshiva for which he was a driver stay and work in Jerusalem. And his family is quite fine, even though they are hanging flags of declared enemies of the state, Hamas and Hizballah, outside of their houses. Such animals, these Israelis, so barbarous that they continue peace talks regardless of rockets and suicidal attacks...

You're right, this so-called "peace process" should be stopped, why hold peace talks with the Palestinians if this is their idea of peace and compromise.

Tronic

Try to see the wider picture bro. Palestinians most likely have the same view of Israel; through brainwashing yes, but with Israel providing enough hot points to brainwash the Palestinians with. I mean in the past 20 years, how many times has Israel invaded its neighbour? It would only be in both Israel's and Palestine's interest to try to take this conflict off the battlefield and onto a political field. And that will not happen with arms blazing. There is a good reason why there is such resentment against Israel in the world community; despite even with some states sharing common enemies. Something to ponder over.

You have to start seeing the "Palestinians" as "Hamas" and "Fatah".

Stan187

No, I don't see the good reason that you speak of, its an easy thing to vent on and blame for both Arab and non-Arab Muslim countries of which there are quite a few. And then there are the Europeans who either are worried about their oil interests or still harbor anti-Semitic feelings on a wide scale, or both. And then there are states like Russia, who yell about hating terrorists but invite Hamas to Moscow and condemn Israel as much as they can. What a surprise, all they want to do is keep the oil prices up and keep selling weapons to Arabs. Good and just reason for resentment? Not at all.

Not unless someone starts talking about a three-state solution. Any territory that wants to be considered Palestinian better abide by all the same ceasefires, agreements and previous recognitions.

Tronic

You are blaming everyone else but the Israeli government. Is Israel truly that flawless?

Why not learn from the Americans? They are not talking about a multiple state solution in Pakistan; yet, what they do is find someone they can work with and assist them in trying to curtail that country. You think there soldiers are not dying from militants across the border? Yet, they have formed a plan and are committed to it. The way I see it, Israel has no plan; they kill you, you kill them. Same mess, world changes little.

Mobbme

Tronic, are you implying that Isreal BREAKS the peace negotiations? Because its the Palistinians that do. Everytime there is a peace deal in place, those idiots who want nothing to do with peace (arab terrorists) start firing rockets into Isreal. Isreal can't sit there and let their citizens die, they have to react. They ARE taking a page out of the US's book: they launch their missions in Palestine to find the culprits responsible. Every nation has a right to defend its people. Its as simple as that.

Stan187

The Israeli government practices restraint, too much of it in my opinion. No one else would tolerate what happens to Israel, but the standard is not supposed to be the same for them? Either way they're seen as being wrong, perhaps they should just stop restraining themselves and just root out Palestinian terrorists with as much force as it takes. When Russia carpet bombs cities wholesale with civilians taking a lot of the heat, they claim it's their right, and barely a peep comes from the rest of the world. When Israel kills one civilian as a result of hitting a terrorist, they are damned for it even when they apologize and say that it is completely unintentional. The Israeli government is by no means flawless, but it is also by no means being held to the same standards as everyone else by a whole lot of the world, which includes you and other individuals such as yourself.

The situation is not at all comparable. When Pakistan magically appears on the border of the United States and begins encouraging terrorism against us but not taking responsibility for it, then we would probably act toward them harsher than Israel acts toward the Palestinians, and rightly so. So in that case, yes, Israel should learn from us.

Would the US accept a 10 year ceasefire from Osama and let him build up his forces just attack in the next decade? Hell no! What a retarded idea!

Yes when Israel refuses to do so with Hamas, they're being uncooperative. I hope you're starting to see the trend, yet judging by your attitude, it does not appear so.

omon

cats and mices will become best friends, before israel and arabs live in piece.

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