Kansas Bear

Proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the proliferation and development of weapons of mass destruction was brought to light Monday in a Jane's Defence Weekly report that dozens of Iranian engineers and 15 Syrian officers were killed in a July 23 accident in Syria.

Syrian and Iranian Presidents, Bashar Assad, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, listen to national anthems at the Ash-Shaeb presidential palace in Damascus, Thursday.

According to the report, cited by Channel 10, the joint Syrian-Iranian team was attempting to mount a chemical warhead on a Scud missile when the explosion occurred, spreading lethal chemical agents, including sarin nerve gas.

Reports of the accident were circulated at the time; however, no details were released by the Syrian government, and there were no hints of an Iranian connection.

The report comes on the heels of criticism leveled by the Syrians at the United States, accusing it of spreading "false" claims of Syrian nuclear activity and cooperation with North Korea to excuse an alleged Israeli air incursion over the country this month.

According to globalsecurity.org, Syria is not a signatory of either the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), - an international agreement banning the production, stockpiling or use of chemical weapons - or the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT).

Syria began developing chemical weapons in 1973, just before the Yom Kipper War. Globalsecurity.org cites the country as having one of the most advanced chemical weapons programs in the Middle East.

'Dozens died in Syrian-Iranian chemical weapons experiment' | Jerusalem Post

Stan187

And then people criticize the Axis of Evil speech. The only thing wrong with that was that he didn't include Syria in it.

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heso10

So, Israel should be included in axis of evil just because it has Nukes ?, it is called balance of power, Israel got Nukes, then neighbor countries get chemical and biological weapons to defend themselves against possible nukes.

These weapons are not intend to be used in bombing, actually the existence of the weapon itself is the weapon, for threating and acquiring more political power in negotiations, non of Israel or Syria or Egypt or even Iran, will use its chemical or biological weapons, cause if any country did use its w.m.d, the other will its w.m.d, so it is pointless to use it, but its existence generates fear at the other country.

See it that way, if Egypt for an example did not have chemical or biological weapons, if anything happens in the future, Israel can use its nukes, without thinking twice, but since Egypt has stockpiles of both and means of delivery, then in any future war, they will think twice b4 using their nukes, and Egypt will think twice before using its ch./bio. weapons.

Stan187

How a country behaves prior to attempting to get such weapons has a lot to do with it. Israel has never made a cause out trying to destroy any of its neighboring countries, while almost all of Israel's neighbors have done that, and some are still doing that.

Israel does think twice about using such weapons. It already had them while major conflict when on and while they were running the risk of being overrun. It didn't stop Egypt and Syria from trying, however. What would have made them really think twice is giving Damascus and Cairo a mushroom-flavored kiss.

heso10

Does not mean either that Syria acquiring chemical or biological weapons are aimed to be used against Israel once they are produced, they are means of self-defense against another country's w.m.d

If you mean October 1973 war, then Egypt and Syria were not trying to overrun Israel as said by western press, the aim of the war was only getting back our land. and the proof, elsadat in 1971 offered peace but Israel refused.

Here is a part of his speech in front of the Knesset in 1977 :
The full speach: here

:D , i do not think they will ever nuke Egypt if any war in the future occurred, unless their existence is threatened. besides as i said before, the fact that Egypt has chemical and biological weapons and means of delivery, will make Israel think twice b4 using nukes, anyway, that is not gonna happen anytime soon, both countries like peace that way.

Fatih1989

the Jews and Israels in this room likewise to yous to like you guys don't have a nuke and Chemical weapons

Stan187

Luckily for the Israelis, they have enough heat to roast Egypt and its chemical and biological sites quite a few times over. I should hope in that case, for your sake, that when a new dictator comes to power in your country he does not try to threaten Israel's existance.

Stan187

You need some English lessons buddy, you're harder to comprehend than a monkey doing sign language.

heso10

man, they already decided before the beginning of the war, that they will only advance 12 km in sinai then hold defensive positions and negotiate on peace again, Israel refused negotiations in 1971, so elsadat forced them to it, and he did, u can see the prove very well today as sinai is not occupied anymore , right...

Then, that gives Syria the motive to acquire chemicals and bios to defend herself against Israel's nuke.
Besides, underestimation is Israel's main problem, do not you think that they already know that Israel has nukes, of course they know and of course they put their plans according to it.

If you think Egypt did not threaten Israel before cause they have nukes, then you are mistaken, cause Egypt already threatened Israel couple of times in the past 7 years & i did not see nukes "roasting" Egypt.

Stan187

Oh is that what they decided? I guess you had all of "them" under a polygraph and now you know it all, good stuff, you must be a pretty old guy then if you did all that while Sadat was still alive.

Bullcrap, if Syria knew concretely that Israel had nukes prior to the Yom Kippur War then you must be calling their leadership pretty retarded if you think they would have just went along with their plans without a fear of getting nuked. In that case, they'd be better off attacking when Israel's forces are not stretched so thin in the north, because when they are, that makes the possibility of Israel using nukes just that much greater.


Clarify what you're talking about here.

heso10

nope, your guess is wrong, elsadat offered them a peace in 1971, and they refused it, then he switched to the force option, which was to advance in Sinai for 12 km only not to invade israel as said in western countries, if Egyptian army was going to advance for more than 12 km, then why only 80 thousand men out of 800 thousand men crossed the suez canal ?? and why after they destroyed barliev line, they held defensive positions ??, they could have continued marching forward, but they stopped marching even before israeli reinforcements arrived. i do not need to be old to understand things logically, cause it is logic, 1+1=2, can not be any other number.

first, i am not talking about youm kipper war here, i am talking about acquiring biological and chemical weapons till today, and once again you are wrong, i am not calling there leadership pretty retarded, cause anyhow, israel could not have used her nukes, cause if they had used it in 1973, USSR would have erased them off the map. besides if israel nuked Damascus they will risk killing their own people and polluting their food source land by the fallout since israeli border is around 70 km from center of Damascus, and also killing their own soldiers who were even closer to Damascus since they were in gollan heights.
And if they had nuked Cairo, they would have also killed their own soldiers who were only 118 km away from the center of Cairo since 1967 to 1973, and were even closer in 1973 when an israeli division crossed the canal and stood at 101 km from the center of cairo, which means that at average they advanced 17 km from the canal.

" By IsraelNationalNews.com

A senior aide to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Osama el-Baz, announced over the weekend that if Israel makes the "major mistake" and attacks Syria, Syrian would not stand alone.

Egypt announced it would come to Syria's side against Israel. El-Baz added that Israel better think twice before launching attacks against any Arab nations, especially Syria "that fulfills an important role in the peace process."

source: here

"Egypt Threatens To 'Retaliate' Against Israel

By BENNY AVNI, Staff Reporter of the Sun
January 2, 2008

UNITED NATIONS — As diplomatic tensions between Egypt and Israel escalated yesterday, Jerusalem struggled to find the delicate balance between applying pressure to get better security cooperation from Cairo, and the need to keep Egyptian-Israeli relations from deteriorating further."

rest of the report : here

"Wednesday, June 18, 2008
From the memory hole: Egypt threatens Israel for criticizing their failure to stop the smuggling

Cairo: This is how we'll wreak diplomatic havoc against Israel
Diplomats: This is how Egypt will wreak diplomatic havoc
Damaged interests in Africa and having Livni declared persona non grata -
hours after Egypt's foreign minister threatens to use diplomatic muscle
against Israel, sources familiar with Israel-Egypt relations tell Ynet
exactly what kind of an impact Jerusalem can expect
Ali Waked YNET Published: 01.01.08, 02:01 / Israel News
www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3488903,00.html"

source: here

may be first threat only implied using force, but at the end the 3 are threats, and in my opinion the last one is the most dangerous to israel.

one more thing, before accusing me of saying any crab AGAIN, kindly check the world wide web.

Triple C

The problem I have with the axis of evil speech is that Bush shouldn't have said it. Those are legitimate threats to global security, but that posture really tipped them off.

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Stan187

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Stan187

Yeah, lots of threats are nice, but what has Egypt actually done? Did they even raise national readiness levels?

Yeah, that's what I thought. They can posture about how much they love Syria all they want, but when it comes to doing something, the only thing Egypt is doing is trying to play negotiator between Israel and Hamas. Because it knows that in any non-conventional exchange, Israel might be hurt, but Egypt would for sure end up a wasteland.

Threats are real nice. I'm pretty sure Osama is still making some threats from inside a luxurious cave.

heso10

neither did israel :D , and yup they raises national readiness levels always, and not only on israeli nukes or the whole problem in the region, but also about the food crisis, the fuel prices and many other problems in africa, just check the news, u will see for urself

saying that means that u really did not read the sources i put upthere, first, yup Egypt is playing the negotiator, and they succeeded, second, ending up as a wasteland, i am not even gonna discuss this with u, cause apparently u do not read much news, cause if this is the case, israel would not be so careful on keeping the peace with Egypt.

Are u even comparing osama to Egypt, man, he does not even have a country or army or anything, all he has is a camera to send threats, and till now, u can not say that he really did 11 sept 2001, not cause he said so or usa said so, means he did it, right ??

So you are the one who "had all of "them" under a polygraph and now you know it all,". remember man, israel is the one who attacked in 1967 and she is the one who was occupying Sinai till 1973 war, so land for peace, yea that is for sure, what did u expect, peace for just peace and keep the land !!, please....

Facts are facts, elsadat did offer israel a more generous offer in 1971, and they refused it, then he used force, and it worked, if they had accepted the offer, it would have been the same today, except that 1973 war would not have happened.

well well well, another crap, that is the second time u say it.

in 5th October at night, special forces were droped at the 3 passes to capture them to stop the israeli reinforcements from obviously passing through them, let's say that Egypt was gonna continue taking Sinai and advancing into israel as the whole world think, can u till me how will an UNMECHANIZED army even reach the passes ???, walking maybe ??

U r right about something and by it u proved what i have been trying to tell u since the beginning, try to read about what happened since an israeli division passed the canal to the other side till they really stopped fighting. here is what u will find, and tell u what, do not trust my wrods, just look it up urself.
to make a long story short, sharon's division passed the canal despite of his superiors disapproval, he destroyed about 5 sam bases in the area, he tried to go every direction, but he was stopped, after the first cease fire, the division continued revolving around the 3rd army till they cut its supplies, and they said they blamed Egypt for breaking cease fire by destroying 9 tanks (yea, we broke cease fire to destroy 9 tanks), then the 2nd cease fire came, this time israel did not break it, cause they achieved their goal which was holding something to bargain with, they gave 3rd army water and food while 2nd cease fire was on, if Egypt really broke cease fire to destroy 9 tanks, would not it be more logical to break the cease fire by closing the few kilometers gap between 2nd and 3rd army ??, 2nd army could easily close the gap, and by closing the gap, supplies of 3rd army would have came through 2nd army (check a map), and by that also, the israeli division would have been cut-off completely from the rest of israeli army, then why we did not do it, simply because we respected the cease fire, unlike others.
bottom of the line, the cease fire saved the israeli division not the 3rd army, cause if we have broke the ceasefire or israel tried to "annihilate" 3rd army as they said, which was 20,000 only btw, the israeli division would have been totally trapped, and 2nd army would have got supplies through 2nd army.
and yup this is the short story.

btw, did i mention that israel was low on fuel ??, i doubt u knew that, but do not believe me in this too, just look it up urself.

That only "IF" Syria ever tried to march into israel which i doubt cause all they want is their land back, same as we wanted and got our land back.

Ohh wait here, ussr started supplying its clients way after usa's supply bridge to israel, it is not even a thing that u can not be sure about.
If what u r saying is true, then why israel stopped at the 2nd cease fire after ussr threaten ?? besides do not u think usa also fear on its people just like ussr ??, enough said i guess.

man u can control its size as much as u want, but at the end u can not control the fall out.


I do not know what are u still arguing about over and over again, i provided facts with proves, so let me till u that, i am only trying to show u somethings u did not know about, u can deny it or do not believe it, its ur choice, u can even believe that israel still owns Sinai if u want, but at the end we got our land back, and we got the peace that have been refused, that pretty much says it all.