Fatah surrending en masse to Hams, Hamas seizing control of Gaza

Druze · 06-13-2007, 13:33 PM

I'll try to keep this post updated since I think yesterday was the beginning of a civil war in Gaza and it will escalate. Hamas has seized Northern Gaza, now it has seized a major road into central Gaza and is starting to pound central Gaza.

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Hamas begins fierce assault on Fatah bases in Gaza City

2007-06-13 18:59:58 -

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Hamas pounded Gaza City's three main security compounds and President Mahmoud Abbas' headquarters with mortars, grenades and assault rifles Wednesday, calling on beleaguered Fatah forces to surrender, in an apparent attempt to take control of the entire Gaza Strip.
In one dramatic victory, hundreds of members of a Fatah-allied clan that had fought fiercely surrendered to masked Hamas gunmen and were led, arms raised in the air, to a nearby mosque.
Fatah fighters desperately tried to cling to their positions, but appeared outgunned by Hamas. One of the battles raged around the beachside headquarters of the Fatah-allied Preventive Security, with both sides wiring wildly from high-rise rooftops.
Dr. Wael Abdel Jawad, a physician trapped in his apartment in the line of fire, said he heard Fatah fighters shouting at colleagues on an adjacent roof to send them more ammuntion. «All of us are terrified here. Shooting came through the windows of our apartment, children are screaming. We are hearing from a nearby mosque the call by Hamas to surrender,» he said.
Fatah's leader, Abbas, who is in the West Bank, called the fighting «madness,» but his appeals for a cease-fire rang increasingly hollow as Hamas gunmen took over or destroyed one base or another of his security forces. Later, his office and residential compound in Gaza came under attack, with Hamas fighters firing at Fatah fighers guarding an access road.
Hamas has ignored calls for a cease-fire, and its hardliners said the offensive would continue.
Throughout the day Hamas moved systematically, taking control of key Fatah positions. Fatah commanders complained they were not given clear orders by Abbas to fight back and that they had no central command. Fatah's strongman in Gaza, Mohammed Dahlan, has spent the last few weeks in Cairo for treatment of a knee injury.
At least 15 people were killed in fighting Wednesday, bringing the total in the four-day camapign to more than 50.
Among those killed Wednesday was a man who joined a non-violent protest against the fighting in Gaza City. Also shot dead were two women from the Fatah-allied Bakr clan whose members had surrendered to Hamas on Wednesday. After the surrender, the women tried to leave the area and, according to a clan member, try to take a sick girl to a hospital, and were shot on the street by jittery Hamas gunmen.
On Wednesday evening, Hamas attacked the three main compounds of Fatah-allied forces in Gaza City _ the headquarters of the Preventive Security, the Intelligence Service and the National Forces _ in what could usher in the final phase of the battle.
Hamas fighters, firing rockets and mortar shells, took over the rooftops in nearby houses and cut off the roads to prevent reinforcements from arriving.
Hamas gunmen in high-rise buildings also fired at Abbas' Gaza office and house and his guard force returned fire. Abbas was in the West Bank at the time of the fighting.
Earlier Wednesday, Hamas militants surrounded a security headquarters in the southern Gaza town of Khan Younis and called on everyone inside to leave or they would blow the building up, witnesses said. The building was then destroyed by a bomb planted in a tunnel underneath it, said Ali Qaisi, a presidential guard spokesman.
Security forces later said they lost control of the town.
«Khan Younis is finished, but we are still holding on in Rafah,» said Ziad Sarafandi, a senior security official, referring to a town south of Khan Younis. But soon after, Hamas militants blew up a second security building near Rafah after a long gunbattle, said Col. Nasser Khaldi, a senior police official.
«Hamas surrounded the building, they had come from Khan Younis to Rafah, they are working by plan,» he said.
The Popular Resistance Committees, a militant group allied with Hamas, said it had taken control of Gaza's border with Egypt to prevent arms smuggling and to ensure that Gaze residents did not flee over the border.
Shops in Gaza City were shuttered tight Wednesday, and streets were mostly empty as terrified residents huddled in homes that could at any moment turn into battlegrounds. The U.N. Relief and Works Agency said it couldn't distribute food to the 30 percent of the Gaza Strip that relies on international food aid.
The agency's Gaza director, John Ging, said the agency would curtail its operations after two of its Palestinian workers were killed by crossfire, but insisted, «We are scaling back, we are not pulling back.
Hamas and Fatah have waged a sporadic power struggle since Hamas won parliament elections last year, ending four decades of Fatah rule. But the battles have worsened in recent days as Hamas waged a systematic assault on security forces to take over Gaza.
Fighting between the two factions, which nominally share power in the Palestinian government, spilled into the Fatah-dominated West Bank.Hamas and Fatah gunmen exchanged fire in the city of Nablus and a nearby refugee camp, after Fatah gunmen tried to storm a pro-Hamas TV production company. Hamas said 12 people of its fighters were wounded.
On Wednesday, Abbas urged an end to the bloody confrontations. He spoke by phone with the Damascus-based Mashaal to try to stop the crisis, said Abbas aide Nimr Hamad.
«This is madness, the madness that is going on in Gaza now,» Abbas told reporters.
Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri, said the clashes could have been avoided if Abbas had given the Hamas-led Cabinet control over the security forces, which he blamed for a wave of kidnappings, torture and violence in Gaza.
«'The president bears complete responsibility for the current crisis,» he said.
The mounting bloodshed touched off protests in two main Gaza towns.
Several hundred tribal leaders, women, children and Islamic Jihad militants turned out in Gaza City for a protest initiated by Egyptian mediators. Some demonstrators scattered after masked Hamas gunmen fired in the air, but others pushed on, carrying Palestinian flags and shouting, «Do not shoot» and «national unity» over a loudspeaker.
Witnesses said Hamas gunmen shot at the protesters as they approached the home of Fatah loyalists, trapping them.
Protester Bilal Qurashali said he saw a man shot in the head. «We are unable to get out. The place is closed,» he said.
Health officials said one protester was killed and 14 others were injured by bullets and brought to the hospital in civilian cars because ambulances couldn't navigate the heavy fire.
Separately, Hamas gunmen opened fire from a high-rise building at about 1,000 protesters in Khan Younis, injuring one and breaking up the protest.

**astralis** · 06-13-2007, 17:24 PM

i wonder when israel is going to jump in on this. fatah might not be the friendliest regime around, but compared to hamas....

**Parihaka** · 06-13-2007, 17:33 PM

Druze, my apologies, I edited your post to wrap it in quotes rather than PHP's to make it easier to read.

Looks like Syria is going to end up controlling both Southern Lebanon and Gaza.

Bluesman · 06-13-2007, 20:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

[b]Looks like Syria is going to end up controlling both Southern Lebanon and Gaza.

I bet they DON'T. Israel has a veto, and I'm a-thinkin' they won't be shy about exercising it.

**Parihaka** · 06-13-2007, 21:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

I bet they DON'T. Israel has a veto, and I'm a-thinkin' they won't be shy about exercising it.

I'd agree except I'm not sure of the political will after Lebanon.

Bluesman · 06-13-2007, 23:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

I'd agree except I'm not sure of the political will after Lebanon.

Dam' good point...

Stan187 · 06-15-2007, 04:29 AM

Bluesman, how you doin' buddy, have you moved yet?

Gaza ain't Lebanon. Available Israeli intel is night and day when comparing Gaza and Lebanon. They would have a much easier time targeting Hamas leadership in case of any full-scale confrontation, albeit unlikely that such a scenario will take place.

**Parihaka** · 06-15-2007, 19:58 PM

Well I guess the west now has a reason to resume funding to Abbas, they can ring-fence Hamas in Gaza and treat with Fatah in the west-bank. Does anyone else consider this a critical moment?

Stan187 · 06-15-2007, 21:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Well I guess the west now has a reason to resume funding to Abbas, they can ring-fence Hamas in Gaza and treat with Fatah in the west-bank. Does anyone else consider this a critical moment?

More than I critical moment, I consider it an "I told you so" moment. There were a range of analysts who said that the unity government with Fatah and Hamas would accomplish nothing and not compromise enough to change opinion externally. And this is exactly what happened. Nothing new here. Hamas already ran Gaza. Fatah already ran the West Bank. The fact that these interests are now more solidified is an evolution of the previous situation, not a revolution.

entropy · 06-16-2007, 06:32 AM

How big is the chance of a de facto Hamastan?

**Parihaka** · 06-16-2007, 17:12 PM

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Originally Posted by entropy

How big is the chance of a de facto Hamastan?

As of now it's real. The only questions to be resolved is how great will be the constrictions imposed on the Gaza strip (Hamasistan), and how large the funding for the West Bank.(Fatahville)

Stan187 · 06-16-2007, 20:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

As of now it's real. The only questions to be resolved is how great will be the constrictions imposed on the Gaza strip (Hamasistan), and how large the funding for the West Bank.(Fatahville)

Not only as of now, I'd say, but as of at least the last two years really.

Ryan Bailey · 10-22-2007, 13:29 PM

Friends, what are your observations regarding the popular reputation of the Olmert government on the Israeli street & worldwide ? Particularly some experts here might have information on problems with draft protestors in Israel & how general discontent with this government might lead to a less timid one in the future, willing to deal decisively with neighbouring terror-states.

Situation: There seems to be a danger that aside from the losses in the Summer '06 Lebanese-Israeli conflict, Israel could continue to beauracratise away Gaza & Jerusalem, two of its most significant territories, symbolically & strategically just as it has previously done, while continuing to deal in most gracious diplomatic terms with aggressors dedicated to their destruction.

Solution: Abandonment of the land for peace philosophy & admission of the state of war which exists coupled with national mobilisation/consolidation.

06-13-2007, 17:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
astralis *Foreign Service* Moderator Lei Feng Protege Join Date: 08-23-05 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,944 Country:	i wonder when israel is going to jump in on this. fatah might not be the friendliest regime around, but compared to hamas.... __________________ Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present. -Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

06-13-2007, 17:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 9,465 Country:	Druze, my apologies, I edited your post to wrap it in quotes rather than PHP's to make it easier to read. Looks like Syria is going to end up controlling both Southern Lebanon and Gaza. __________________ In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz

06-15-2007, 04:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
Stan187 WAB BOUNCER *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-24-06 Posts: 2,325 Country:	Bluesman, how you doin' buddy, have you moved yet? Gaza ain't Lebanon. Available Israeli intel is night and day when comparing Gaza and Lebanon. They would have a much easier time targeting Hamas leadership in case of any full-scale confrontation, albeit unlikely that such a scenario will take place. __________________ In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158 The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea

06-16-2007, 06:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
entropy Senior Reader *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 03-19-07 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,628 Country:	How big is the chance of a de facto Hamastan? __________________ If memory serves...

10-22-2007, 13:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ryan Bailey *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-25-07 Location: Megalopolis, US Posts: 140 Country:	Friends, what are your observations regarding the popular reputation of the Olmert government on the Israeli street & worldwide ? Particularly some experts here might have information on problems with draft protestors in Israel & how general discontent with this government might lead to a less timid one in the future, willing to deal decisively with neighbouring terror-states. Situation: There seems to be a danger that aside from the losses in the Summer '06 Lebanese-Israeli conflict, Israel could continue to beauracratise away Gaza & Jerusalem, two of its most significant territories, symbolically & strategically just as it has previously done, while continuing to deal in most gracious diplomatic terms with aggressors dedicated to their destruction. Solution: Abandonment of the land for peace philosophy & admission of the state of war which exists coupled with national mobilisation/consolidation. __________________ "If we will not be governed by God then we will be ruled by tyrants" -William Penn

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Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 9,465 Country:	Well I guess the west now has a reason to resume funding to Abbas, they can ring-fence Hamas in Gaza and treat with Fatah in the west-bank. Does anyone else consider this a critical moment?

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