Nisaar

Damn. that is so true
I'd like to ask you what you think we can do to take Islam out of the pit it has fallen in?

Do you beleive in a certain sect of Islam, or that Islam has no sects?

My personel beleif is that I must read and interpret everything with a pinch of salt, and I have found no problem with the Quraan but The Haadith and Sharia totally bugs me. There are direct contradictions between the Quraan and Sharia.
What do you think?
I think that the Haadith and sharia were altered by man.



I also think that way. But it is Georgey and the corporations that we should despise and not the Americans.
I can't take any sides. I'm glad that Saddam is gone. But I have a feeling that another Saddam will be put in his place.

__________________
"It is a little knowledge of science that makes you an Atheist, and it is an in-depth study of science that makes you a believer in God Almighty". [Sir Francis]

smilingassassin

If you'd take the time to read my post rather than take the time to bash another "typical American" you'd notice I'm Canadian.

I suppose I could reply with "where are you from , France?".

Anony

I do not believe in any sect of Islam. There should be unity in my opinion. The Islam started 1400 years ago was one, with people having slightly different opinions, not one sect accusing the other sect of being pagan ! The bombings of shia and sunni mosques last year in Pakistan was a sign to how low some people can get. My ideal is one religion, varying opinion and no sects. Sects just create hatred and division among people with very much the same faith.
This problem was also in Christianity when Protestants were persecuted by Catholics.

I am all for diversity of opinions, but with sensitive topics such as religion to some people, it can quickly entice hatred in ignorant people, and ignorance is at a very high level in the Muslim world, a fact no one can deny.

As for the Hadith, yes i do believe its corrupted, but this is a political forum so lets leave that out .To each his own opinion. Such matters are really sensitive to some people so I am not going to debate about this over here. One's logic should be a deciding factor in these issues.



No one should despise the public. It is not them who wage war, but participate into wars with their trust in their leaders. So ultimately the leaders should be held responsible for any war crimes and not the public, not even the soldiers if they are following orders and believing it is good. That ofcourse is my opinion. I am sure not all of the American soldiers rape Iraqis in prisons or would like to drop bombard hospitals. There are good and bad people everywhere.

Anony

Alright . What do you think about whoever resists Israeli occupation without killing any civilians but only IDF soldiers. Do you consider them less than animals too ?

And Ray whats with anonhi ? ..

Ray

Moot point.

Anhoni is a typographical error I reckon. Anhoni means 'something that cannot be explained'.

My apologies.

You will notice that I repeatedly keep editing my posts, since I am not too good at typoing.

__________________


"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

HAKUNA MATATA

Confed999

No, I consider them foolish. They could have had their own country by now, if they would at least stop durring the cease-fires.

__________________
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

Anony

Alright then. They are foolish if you say so. And I don't think they would have their own country anyhow with settlements increasing in the West bank. They should just sit there and wait while the peace loving and U.N. resolution complying state of Israel decide their faith.

Confed999

The US and Europe have been working on it for decades, and it's allways the Palestinians that break the cease-fire, and end the talks. They shouldn't have joined in on the attack on Israel, in the first place, and they wouldn't be in the state they're in.

Egypt has plenty of space, give the Palestinians a country there.

Anony

I am in full support of that btw. But sadly I am not the president and its not the land the palestenians were born in. And anyway with so many Israelis entering Sinai in Jewish Holy Days unconditionally, it cannot be anywhere in Sinai. So that fictional country would be no where close to the land they were born in !

Here is Israel's curriculam vitae according to the U.N. which include expulsion of Palestenians. :

http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html


You should point out mistakes from both sides, instead of being blindly biased. Thats what seperates sheep from human beings. I can link you to sites ridiculously baised against Israel or Palestenians. Would that do any good ? No, you will just be buying in pure trash.

If you have it in your head that "Israel is perfect" and argue, then what makes you, someone who debates on political forms, different from any other pro-Israeli person not interested in politics ? Likewise there is alot of good things in Israel people should recognise (eg: if you own a pentium chip on ur computer, good chance part of it is designed in Israel)., but i still don't think with their past and present policy, there will be a palestenian state which can practise full sovereignty any time soon.

Many people fall in the trap of counting how many Israelis have died in the past 10 years and completely ignore how many Palestenians have died. (And for those Muslim-hating people, Palestenians have Christians which have been also killed by Israelis). 1 human's life is worth another. If you are humane you would realise that.

visioninthedark

well .... what do you guys have to say about this Indian solution right here ...

Gandhi's 'march home' cry

__________________

Please visit http://www.visiongwadar.com/platinum/index.html

Anony

Its a really good idea. I was recently discussing this with my friend. Not even the most powerful army in the world can stop a peaceful march violently if the marching is determined. Any Israeli military reaction will certainly shock the world. In theory .there should be more than 50% of Jordan's population in that march.

Vision I am not very sure as I have read VERY vaguely about Indo-Pakistan history, but didn't even the Pathans have a peaceful march against the British army ?

anyway realistically its hard to happen. Hard but possible. I hope it does happen though. Another thing i hope which happens is that Arafat gets sacked.

Jay

Thats what I'm talking about! It would just make the Palestinian struggle as a struggle and not terrorism. Any Israeli military action will just improve the chances of Palestinians cause vastly.

Its just not Pathans, they did that all over British India. If I'm right Jalianwallah Bagh was the bloodiest of all, where 1000 unarmed protesters were killed by a British Officer Gen.Dyer.

__________________
A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

Anony

Yeah I know its not just the Pathans. But they are known to be pretty strong people and yet they even had a peaceful march. Anyway I am personally sick of hearing day by day on news channels here about events in Iraq and Palestien day by day, and i hope there will be a just solution to it. I am not siding with any side, I am siding with true justice, something that only a collection of people can get. I wonder if "corporate" Arafat would be in support og this march .

Nisaar

Oops!, Sorry, my bad.When I read it earlier, I interpreted the 'quite a few of them' as an 'all of them'. My bad.

Confed999

I'm not going to read any further into your post than this. You have no idea what I think of Israel's policies, you just think you do. Don't tell me I'm biased because I think "people" that blow up children on purpose, and those that support them, are worth less than animals. That belief has nothing to do with where they live, and I'll repeat that in case you don't understand, nothing to do with where they live.