bigross86

From an Israeli point of view, leftists are those wo believe that the Pal's struggle is a just one, we took their land, and they have every right in the world to keep killing Israeli's if they want to. I hate them almost as much as I do Pal's. Me personally, I'm right of center. I'm not so extreme as to say f**k them, we took it, tough $hit. I believe if they want a country, than they can work it out and get one. But if they're gonna continue with the suicide bombings, I say kill them and help them get on their way to Allah.

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Marksman

I used to think the left had the right idea to solve the problem.. but that was before rabin's death.
right now I am still wondering the best choise...

The Wall seems a very itneresting idea... though invite the squatters of samaria, judea and gaza to move elsewhere, seems equally atractive.
after all, what would the palestinian statehood acomplish?

ZFBoxcar

Im in favour of the wall because if we moved the Palestinians out, wed never hear the end of it. The Euros would put embargos and boycotts on all Israeli products, new allies like India might turn cold, the Turks would turn against us, and many Americans would be pissed off. With the wall, the palestinians keep 'their' land, we keep our lives, and whether or not we negotiate a peace with the Palestinians will no longer be relevant. If we booted them out they would stil be able to launch suicide bombings from Jordan or wherever

Lunatock

If only General Musharraf would o.k. Israel driving Merkava's past the "No Foreigners Welcome" sign, into Pakistans North West Frontier Province.

Then PakDef would have something to hate Israel for. :twisted:

bigross86

How bout we get a whole lot of US Army guys to enlist in your Sar-El thing 'Tock, and then we charge, shooting on sight to kill.

ChrisF202

its plain and simple; the Palestine Authority has had almost 3 years to stop these terrorists; they failed to do so; lets just wipe them off the Earth.

bigross86

Lets give tham a new sun for a couple seconds, till they're incinerated.

ChrisF202

nah, too quick

bigross86

I'm not mean enough not to give them a quick death if they so desire. They seem intent on blowing themselves up, so I just wanna help them .

ChrisF202

Just launch airstrikes on every part of Palestine, inch by inch, show them how it feels to lose a 5 month old baby.

bigross86

I wouldn't minds having a couple B-52s for that. It would take less flights to bomb it all to smithereens.

ChrisF202

Just on CNN, several Israeli tanks are reported moving on road to Ramallah, West Bank.

bigross86

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95201,00.html

Report: Israel Set to Retaliate for Bus Bombing

Wednesday, August 20, 2003

JERUSALEM — Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (search), facing growing international pressure to clamp down on militants, convened an emergency Cabinet meeting Wednesday to decide how to respond to a Hamas homicide bombing that killed 20, including five Americans.


Israel, however, decided Wednesday to carry out military strikes against terror suspects regardless of what the Palestinian Authority (search) does, a security official said on condition of anonymity.

The Israeli raids were expected to begin later Wednesday. A column of 13 Israeli tanks was seen lining up outside the West Bank town of Ramallah (search), Palestinian witnesses said.

The Palestinian Cabinet did not announce a decision after its two-hour session, except to say the rule of law in the West Bank and Gaza Strip would be enforced. The final say is up to Yasser Arafat and top PLO officials, who will meet later Wednesday with ministers.

After the Cabinet meeting, Abbas received a phone call from Secretary of State Colin Powell, who said "the Palestinian Authority should take immediate measures to stop the deterioration," Palestinian Information Minister Nabil Amr said.

Tuesday night's Jerusalem bus blast also wounded more than 100, including about 40 children, returning from the Western Wall (search), Judaism's holiest shrine. It was the deadliest Palestinian terror attack since the "road map" peace plan was unveiled three months ago by President Bush.

The Palestinian Authority's next move could well determine the fate of the U.S.-backed peace plan.

Earlier Wednesday, Palestinian security chief Mohammed Dahlan met with Palestinian security commanders in the Gaza Strip, ordering them "to be on high alert to implement whatever decision will be taken by the political leadership and the Palestinian Authority against those who were involved in yesterday's attack in Jerusalem," spokesman Elias Zananiri said.

Abbas, who could lose his job if violence persists, has said he will not confront the militants -- as required by the peace plan -- because he fears internal fighting.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and top defense officials decided Wednesday to give Dahlan time to begin cracking down on the militants, a security official said on condition of anonymity.

Security officials decided against targeting Arafat, the defense official said. In the past, troops have besieged Arafat's West Bank headquarters.

Bush called Sharon on Wednesday, said Israel's vice premier, Ehud Olmert.

Abbas was meeting with Islamic Jihad leaders in Gaza City on Tuesday when he learned of the bombing. Condemning the attack as a "terrible crime," Abbas also broke off contact with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, called off upcoming trips to Italy and Norway, and convened the emergency Cabinet meeting.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (search) urged Abbas "to take decisive action to arrest the instigators of this attack and prevent such attacks from happening again," U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said in New York.

Yasser Abed Rabbo, the Palestinian Minister for Negotiations with Israel, said, "We have decided to boycott Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and at the same time the Palestinian leadership has instructed the Palestinian cabinet and the Palestinian security services to take all necessary measures in order to preserve the Palestinian national interests."

In the Gaza Strip, Hamas leaders insisted Wednesday they remain committed to a three-month truce they and other militants declared unilaterally on June 29, but said they reserve the right to revenge the killings of operatives by Israeli troops.

There were indications that the bomber, disguised as an ultra-Orthodox Jew, tried to settle a personal score with the attack. The assailant, 29-year-old mosque preacher Raed Mesk from the West Bank city of Hebron, was friends with an Islamic Jihad leader in Hebron, Mohammed Sidr, who was killed by troops last week.

In the meantime, Israel froze all contacts with the Palestinian Authority and canceled the planned handover of two West Bank towns to Palestinian control, a move that was expected later this week. The Israeli army also closed border crossings to seal off the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Palestinian legislator Saeb Erekat criticized Israel's decision, saying it was important to maintain contacts.

"The main message I want to send to the Americans is that ... every possible effort should be exerted to keep the road map and the truce alive," he said.

The homicide bomber detonated the explosives in the center of a tandem bus, which has two passenger sections, shortly after 9 p.m. on a main thoroughfare.

Five of those killed were American citizens, a U.S. Embassy official said Wednesday.

They included Mordechai Reinitz, 47, and his son, Yitzhak, 18, who lived in the Israeli coastal town of Netanya and had dual Israeli-American citizenship, embassy spokesman Paul Patin said. Their U.S. hometown was not immediately known.

Goldie Taubenfeld, 43, and her 5-month-old son, Shmuel, who were visiting from New Square, N.Y., also were killed, according to Patin and a family statement. Taubenfeld had 13 children.

The fifth American victim was identified as Tihilla Nathanson, 3, from Monsey, N.Y.

Zvi Weiss, an 18-year-old seminary student from New York, was sitting in the front of the bus and escaped unharmed.

"The bomb went off at the back of the bus. Everything went black. I climbed out of the broken window and started running. All around me there were people covered in blood, screaming, some with limbs missing," Weiss said.

The bomb was packed with bits of metal for greater deadliness, police said.

The blast, just across from a synagogue, blew a hole in the bus roof and shattered the windows of a passing bus.

In an Israeli prison, Palestinian security prisoners applauded and passed out candy when they learned of the bombing, the Israel Prisons Authority said. Inmate leaders were sent into isolation and the rest had their TV sets removed as punishment, the authority said.

Since the intefadeh began in September 2000, more than 2,400 people have been killed on the Palestinian side and more than 800 on the Israeli side.

bigross86

Fox News. CNN are lying ba$tards.

Maybe now America will see. A 5 month old and a 3 year old. maybe now the world will see.

Lunatock

If only it was "my" Sar-el thing. Then maybe the Alyah center in Philly would get back to me.

Here I thought that Lancaster Islamic Center had the "like talking to a wall when asking for a small favor" quality copyrighted. :-x