Any evangelical christians on this message board?

[mich]

evangelical christian supporters of israel are a recent phenomenon in the United States. everyone from falwell to pat robertson are fierce supporters of israel. this is not a problem,they are in their right to support israel all they want. the problem seems to be a lack of 'christian compassion' when it comes to the palestianian issue. even pope john paul 2nd and the current pope did not take such a one sided view when it comes to th israel/palestine conflict. rather than backing one side on this conflict, shouldn't evagelical christians take a neutral stand just like the Roman catholic church and try to work towards achieving a solution this conflict..
P.S-if there are any evangelical christian supporters of israel on this message board, i would like to hear your reason for your support of israel.

[Wraith601]

I'm an evangclical Christian, however I don't blindly support Israel by any means. I think both sides bear a lot of blame in the Middle East crisis but Israel has certainly made more of an effort for peace than the Palestianians. I'd be more prone to sympathise with the Palestianians if they showed more interest in resolving the dispute and stop pulling crap like electing Hamas as the majority party and lionizing suicide bombers. Untill then I'll keep backing Israel.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by mich

evangelical christian supporters of israel are a recent phenomenon in the United States. everyone from falwell to pat robertson are fierce supporters of israel. this is not a problem,they are in their right to support israel all they want. the problem seems to be a lack of 'christian compassion' when it comes to the palestianian issue. even pope john paul 2nd and the current pope did not take such a one sided view when it comes to th israel/palestine conflict. rather than backing one side on this conflict, shouldn't evagelical christians take a neutral stand just like the Roman catholic church and try to work towards achieving a solution this conflict..
P.S-if there are any evangelical christian supporters of israel on this message board, i would like to hear your reason for your support of israel.

It's really, really hard to take an even-handed look at the problem when you actually have moral standards and one of the sides you're supposed to look at neutrally does NOT. What you seem to be saying is that both sides are equal or equivalent or the same, when that is so very, very clearly false. And to expect a person with a normal understanding of morality to deal with an evil entity the same as one would deal with an imperfect entity that makes good-faith efforts to do the right thing is, to my understanding, asking for the Good to risk falling to the Evil.

And that, in and of itself, is evil.

[Alistriwen]

A lot of evangelical Christians support Israel because they believe it will bring about the second coming of Christ.

[gunnut]

Originally Posted by Alistriwen

A lot of evangelical Christians support Israel because they believe it will bring about the second coming of Christ.

I saw a history channel show about that. It's a recent phenomenom, appearing in the late 19th century, and flouring in the late 20th century. Before that, christians didn't view jews too kindly as they killed Jesus, or were blamed as such.

[mich]

Originally Posted by Wraith601

I'm an evangclical Christian, however I don't blindly support Israel by any means. I think both sides bear a lot of blame in the Middle East crisis but Israel has certainly made more of an effort for peace than the Palestianians. I'd be more prone to sympathise with the Palestianians if they showed more interest in resolving the dispute and stop pulling crap like electing Hamas as the majority party and lionizing suicide bombers. Untill then I'll keep backing Israel.

yea, i also agree that both sides bear a lot o blame. as for electing hamas(as despicable as their politics is),we in the west complain that the arabs are incapable of having democratic societies. i think that the hamas election and the suicide bombings are an act of anger and desperation on the palestinians' part.

[Wraith601]

Originally Posted by mich

yea, i also agree that both sides bear a lot o blame. as for electing hamas(as despicable as their politics is),we in the west complain that the arabs are incapable of having democratic societies. i think that the hamas election and the suicide bombings are an act of anger and desperation on the palestinians' part.

Maybe so, but I'll always support the Israelis, who at least try to keep civillian losses down to Hamas who seeks to increase them.

[mich]

Originally Posted by Bluesman

What you seem to be saying is that both sides are equal or equivalent or the same, when that is so very, very clearly false.
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I think you are saying that one side is right and the other side is wrong in this palestine/israel conflict. maybe i misunderstood your statement.

[tphuang]

I'm evangelical, but I don't support Israel at all.

Maybe so, but I'll always support the Israelis, who at least try to keep civillian losses down to Hamas who seeks to increase them.

well, when you are trying to portray yourself as the good guy to world vs the terrorists. You kind of have to do that.

[Alistriwen]

well, when you are trying to portray yourself as the good guy to world vs the terrorists. You kind of have to do that.

So you're saying that Israel is the bad guy but is trying to mask their hideous evil side? Fool. That's precisely what the terrorists do with their manipulation of the media, the media which you obviously put too much stock in.

[Ray]

The point that electing Hamas is something that is not right is in itself not a right statement.

Much that one may dislike Hamas (and there are good reasons to do so), the fact that democracy has been applied and Hamas has won hands down cannot be wished away.

On one hand, we want Arab nations to be democratic and on the other hand, when they are democratic and choose a government not to our liking, we find that distasteful.

That does not wash.

There is no doubt that the Islamists are perpetually precipating crisis after crisis, Hizbollah and Lebanon being one, but the silver lining is that democracy is slowly coming to Arabia. This mindless stupidity that the Islamists are engaged in will one day die its natural death.

Of course, between that day and today, many innocents will die!

I also saw that documentary where the Born Agains are supporting Israel but the reasons are illogical and unscientific, apart from being downright stupid.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by Alistriwen

So you're saying that Israel is the bad guy but is trying to mask their hideous evil side? Fool. That's precisely what the terrorists do with their manipulation of the media, the media which you obviously put too much stock in.

wow, you again. Why am I not surprised? Too eager to jump on me, huh?

What am I saying? If you call yourself the good guy and the other side the bad guy, you have to show better behaviour. There is a reason Hamas is a terrorist group. If you are acting like Hamas, you'd be a terrorist group too.

Totally agree with Ray. If you want democracy, you would have to agree with the results of democracy. If you only want democratic results to go the way you want it to go, how is that real democracy?

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by tphuang

If you want democracy, you would have to agree with the results of democracy.

It seemed the election was fair to me. Now Palestine is reaping what it has sewn...

[sappersgt]

Originally Posted by Confed999

It seemed the election was fair to me. Now Palestine is reaping what it has sewn...

Didnt Hitler win his election to Chancellor?

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by sappersgt

Didnt Hitler win his election to Chancellor?

Yep, best thing about "democracy", it shows the true intent of the people.