Any evangelical christians on this message board?

[HistoricalDavid]

Oh Bluesman, you can't comment about 'morals' because you're obviously a Zionist moral-imperialist Western propagandistic Orientalist! Only 'Islamic scholars' and Arab people can talk about the Middle East, although of course they are freely allowed to criticise the West...

/End impression of Edward Said

[Ray]

Bluesman,

I will not comment on your statements since it indicates that you are angry about something or the other.And I am not talking about your replies to my post, which are interesting and valid as per your perception. I am talking about your posts in general.

And when one is angry, one does not see reason.

While I can hardly be classified as a Pro Islamist or pro terrorist, yet I feel one should also see the other person's point of view and calmly and logically rebut whatever one wants to. That method would be more credible. Bullying never pays.

Much that I like you, of late you have become hyper sensitive and rather intolerant to others' views. This is not surely the Bluesman I knew!

Isn't it ironic that we are talking about Christian Compassion also?

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Oh Bluesman, you can't comment about 'morals' because you're obviously a Zionist moral-imperialist Western propagandistic Orientalist! Only 'Islamic scholars' and Arab people can talk about the Middle East, although of course they are freely allowed to criticise the West...

/End impression of Edward Said

HAH!

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Ray

Bluesman,

I will not comment on your statements since it indicates that you are angry about something or the other.And I am not talking about your replies to my post, which are interesting and valid as per your perception. I am talking about your posts in general.

And when one is angry, one does not see reason.

While I can hardly be classified as a Pro Islamist or pro terrorist, yet I feel one should also see the other person's point of view and calmly and logically rebut whatever one wants to. That method would be more credible. Bullying never pays.

Much that I like you, of late you have become hyper sensitive and rather intolerant to others' views. This is not surely the Bluesman I knew!

Isn't it ironic that we are talking about Christian Compassion also?

Well, I'm no Christian, so I get a pass.

Seriously, though...I simply do not suffer fools gladly. And THIS statement

Israelis and palestinians have equal moral standards.

is easliy as foolish a thing as anybody has ever written on this board (and, with some of our whakier posters, that's going pretty far).

[Ray]

Bluesman,

It doesn't matter what is the opinion of others.

Go go hammer and tongs and rebut it.

But of course, with logic!

[smilingassassin]

Originally Posted by -{SpoonmaN}-

LOL if you're right then I'll fight God to try to teach him/her some respect.

Sorry sport, my money's on God, because...well... he's God.....he'd likely drop a planet on yer ass!

[smilingassassin]

Originally Posted by Ray

And the reaction when you put the words sex and men in the same sentence?

Everything in excess is an indication of a rotter.

Hey we have everything at my workplace. We have a women who has become a man in every way except the major plumbing. We also have a few gays working there as well. The words "dark spirit" come to mind when I recall our evangelical discussing these people.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by Ray

Bluesman,

It doesn't matter what is the opinion of others.

Go go hammer and tongs and rebut it.

But of course, with logic!

Well, I think I did that, too. But I simply see no reason that I should treat as reasonable someone who doesn't reason well.

As the old saying goes: "You can't argue with a sick mind." He's not sick in any pathological sense, but LORD, he's not well, either. The 'pushpin is as good as poetry' school of philosophy gets no respect from ME, and that's essentially his point: 'Who's to say which morality is 'better', when it's so subjective?' Well, we ALL are, that's who, and if he can't tell the difference between what a terrorist is all about and a government that's doing its best to defend it's people without being completely beastly themselves, well, he gets the metaphorical back of my hand, because he deserves no less.

[mich]

Originally Posted by Confed999

Really? So honor killings are a good thing? Women should have little or, better yet, no rights? If a person listens to music, or watches TV, they should be killed? People should be attacked for the name they call God? People should be executed for who they say I love you to? People should be oppressed and enslaved for the profit of others? There are places where some/all of those things are morally correct, and it is in no way arrogant to say places/peoples who's moral code says those things are wrong have a higher moral standard.

no! honor killings and marginalizing women are not a good thing. these crimes are committed by a small illiterate segment of those particular nations. no sane human being can say that things like honor killings are part of the moral code of this or that nation. there are plenty of americans who generalize and make stements about the rest of the world. but nobody is saying that they have low or high moral values. their moral values are between them and their maker.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by mich

no! honor killings and marginalizing women are not a good thing. these crimes are committed by a small illiterate segment of those particular nations. no sane human being can say that things like honor killings are part of the moral code of this or that nation. there are plenty of americans who generalize and make stements about the rest of the world. but nobody is saying that they have low or high moral values. their moral values are between them and their maker.

Your first and last sentences contradict each other.

[Gun Grape]

Originally Posted by Bluesman

' Well, we ALL are, that's who, and if he can't tell the difference between what a terrorist is all about and a government that's doing its best to defend it's people without being completely beastly themselves, well, he gets the metaphorical back of my hand, because he deserves no less.

But Bluesman, You are grouping ALL Palis into the Terrorist group. Condemning the entire population for the acts of the minority.

That would be like condemning the people of the US because of the acts of idiots that, Drag people behind their truck because of their skin color, tie people to a fence and beat them to death because of their sex preference, Shoot a kid because hes in the "Wrong Hood" or wearing the wrong color sneakers or hat, spike trees so that loggers will get injured or killed and quit logging in the area, kill doctors because they perform abortions. And the list goes on.

All the above doesnt make us an immoral country or immoral people. Neither does the acts of a minority in Palestine make the whole group immoral.

And we didn't help in the matter. We told the Palestineans that if they would have elections they would be treated like a legit government. But when the people that we didn't like won, we reniged. What a great way for Hamas to say "See they really don't mean what they say. Can't trust the US."

[mich]

Originally Posted by Confed999

That's not quite the point of my post. "A government with a policy of terrorism" is the key, there will always be terrorists. The comparisons made were to Palestine. Neither of the comparisons made had a policy of terrorism.

sir, there is no such thing as a palestinian state in existance right now. yes you are correct ,the government in India and South Africa do not have a policy of terrorism.The current government in South Africa had its origin through terrorism. modern India of today is a victim of terrorism just like the United States. it is also trying to fight terrorism. but, before 1948 there were plenty of Indians who advocated and committed acts of terrorism against the british government in India. but India had the good fortune of having a clever politician like Ghandi who came up with the idea of non-violent civil resistance. I am sure Mandela and his ANC followers who are running South Africas government are against terrorism. but back in the 60s, 70s and early 80s, they used terrorism in an attempt to dismantle the apartheid system. I would say that the palestinians are in a similar situation that India was before 1948(under british rule). they also seem to be in a situation similar to the days of apartheid system in south africa. when the british empire collapsed in the 40s, one nation after another in asia and africa got their independence. if Ghandi and his non-violent struggle hadn't worked, there were people in India who would have come up with ways for India to get her independence.

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by mich

no! honor killings and marginalizing women are not a good thing.

So then I can say the moral standards of Iran are lower than the moral standards of France, and not be arrogant...

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

But Bluesman, You are grouping ALL Palis into the Terrorist group. Condemning the entire population for the acts of the minority.

Their vote shows they are the majority...

[Confed999]

Originally Posted by mich

sir, there is no such thing as a palestinian state in existance right now.

They have a government, and laws. Honor killings are legal there too.