platinum786

The thing about destroying hizbollah is that it's harder than it seems, like didn't you guys try to destroy Al Queda, where did that get anyone? OBL is still roaming around free today probably....It's easier said than done, I mean who knew Iraq would fight back?! Standing on that aircraft carrier, declaring victory...the words of the wisest american i've ever crossed come to mind..."doh".

Now the thing is, i think we should you the words of an american child prodigy Eric Cartmen and tell everyone in the middle east, jewish or muslim to "go suck donkey balls". once they've finished killing each other and are willing to talk, they'll do it amongst themselves i reckon.

One more thing...(..Colombo...lol..)...now if we leave our political idea's behind for one second and pretend we're swiss and thus don't have any political leanings....don't you reckon the lebanese are pussies? I mean for f**ks sake your country is getting attacked, the person attacking it isn't even willing to talk to you, the rest of the world has told you to p1ss off, why not declare war? Your taking a beating now, you'll take a beating probably afterwards, at least you go down fighting....

that might sound a bit playground but it's what i'd do, and i reckon a lot of you guys might too, if someone started slapping you up, dropping to the ground and going into a featul position would be the last thing i do, forget it might as well go down in full glory fighting.

gunnut

Actually Bush never declared victory. He said the job (kicking Hussein from power) is accomplished.

Just like Gore never said he "invented the internet." But people keep bringing it up like he actually said that.

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gunnut

Ahh, you mean like how the Hezbollah tunnels into Israel, attacking their outposts, lobbing rockets and artillery shells at them, abducting their people, and then organize marches talking about killing Jews?

Glad you agree with Israel's decision to fight back, even when the world has told them to piss off.

Parihaka

Nope, the Israelis' deserve support
Again no. The Lebanese wouldn't stand any more chance than hezbollah which is now down to half the force they were and deteriorating every day. The best thing the Lebanese Government can do is stay out of the way, and since they don't like Hezbollah* any more than Israel does, help mop them up after the Israelis are done.

*I mean would you like to have 1/4 of your country occupied by a mercenary army sponsored by your neighbours, conducting wars from your country?

Confed999

I think he only gets his info about the USA from hard left blogs, and doesn't actually back check for sources. lol

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dalem

Everything is harder than it seems. What does that pithy observation even mean? That we shouldn't try? That we can't succeed?

And we are in the process of destroying AQ - we get closer every day. Did you somehow think it was going to be a quickie?

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smilingassassin

Fast food victory? Under 10 months or the next victory is free?

Yeah this one never gets old, lets just forget that Bush was refering to actions to take saddam out of power shall we?

This is quite simply what the world did when Hitler rose to power and we all saw the result of our Ostrich manuver....

The solution was really so simple, Hezbollah should have disarmed as per UN resolition 1559 (IIRC) after Israel pulled out. Israel has made her intentions very clear again by pulling settlers out of Gaza and the West Bank.

The solution to this crisis is again so simple, hand the "kidnaped" IDF soldiers back, when that happens Israel stops its actions and Hezbollah does the same........and by the way Kidnaping is a criminal act in most civilized nations, last I heard.

Thats what I would do on a one on one senario, NOT in an international stage where clearly I failed to live up to my end of the bargain (ie not disarming Hezbollah). Funny how the Israeli's are war mongers because they react as you say the Lebanese should.

See heres the thing, Israel was content to have peace with Lebanon and vise versa, problem is Lebanon did nothing to reign in Hezbollah after Israel pulled out of Lebanon what 6 years ago? Now Hezbollah decides to start something by grabing "bargaining chips" (2 IDF soldiers), excuse me but bargaining chips for what, the war they planned to start on Iran's behalf? Why would you fight for such a nice freind like Hezbollah who's the real culprit here.

Why don't they move Hezbollah out of Southern Lebanon, out of rocket range of Israeli city's? If the Lebanese have no problem with Hezbollah they can let them protect the rest of the country.

troung

Colombia, Burma, the Philippines war with the NPA, should I really keep going or do facts get in the way of the story?

6 months or our money back.

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Ray

Maybe the Hizb will not get exterminated.

No harm in trying. Who knows? Success may come. Success favours the brave!

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platinum786

I dont recall calling israel war mongers, afterall they where provoked.

That doesn't mean i don't think they are war mongers...they are sometimes, but then again who is innocent in all this filth of middle east politics, nobody.

PubFather

I can understand and largely agree with your view of Tony. I have never really doubted that he sincerely believed that the war in Iraq was the correct thing to do - and respect him for sticking to his guns.

The problem for Tony - no WMDs which has made the war look illegal/wrong in the UK. He is also seen as George's poodle and its starting to grate on the people of the UK. We do have our pride lol.

Things might have been very different for Tony had WMDs been found in Iraq. Thats why we could use a new leader, untainted by this percieved shortcoming. And not Gordon "Prudence" Brown....

And I also agree - the war in Iraq needs to prosecuted to a conclusion. Failure - as they say - is not an option...

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PubFather

I genuinely don't believe that this will happen. Europe is populated by bland politicians - and the reason for that is history. There is an engrained distrust of demagogues and orators. Certainly within Western Europe, I dont see the errors of the past being repeated in that sense.

I personally see Europe potentially going a couple of different ways, depending on events. The most likely is to continue to muddle through - believing in "soft-power and diplomacy".

If Europe is attacked in a devastating way - an Iranian nuke is the most likely - then you either see a much more aggressive, forceful Europe on the world stage, or Europe retreats into itself.

"Fortress Europe" might be born, with an emphasis on draconian border controls, restricted immigration, layered missile defenses etc. In essence, Europe will remove its self from the world stage as a player. I suspect this is more likely.

It is the greatest shame, however, that our wills cannot be united. Even if it was a genuine "good cop" "bad cop" routine, we would achieve considerably more.

dalem

I think that those soft and bland pols that you mention above will get pushed out by poll or by force (Eurohistory has relatively recent examples of both of course) by the average Euro Joe, and that's when the new pogroms start.

-dale

Sea Toby

At least in these other countries the government is attempting to bring the culprits to justice, unlike Lebanon, where the government allowed Hezbollah to maintain their arms and allowed the enemy to partake in its government at the cabinet level. That's a BIG difference.

Muslim terrorist attacks in Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain,Yemen, Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon, Kenya, France, Italy, Spain, United States, and civil wars with their War Lords in almost every western African nation and Somalia. Yes, the largest chunk of UN business is in the Muslim world!

Frankly the rest of the world is alarmed and shocked by the huge cache of rockets Hezbollah has, an illegal nation within a nation, including Lebanon itself. While the rest of the world clamors for democracy, in Iraq many Muslim dissidents are opposed. The world wishes to leave Iraq as quickly as possible, but they can't drop their guns long enough for the world to leave.

While the Muslims may deny the above, the rest of the world has suffered enough. Terrorist attacks won't get the Palestinians to Tel Aviv, only a sound strategic and tactical military moves will do so.

Oh, by the way, the US House of Representatives has today voted to support Israel 410-8. Its not even close. Of course, targeting Americans with your terrorist activity hasn't won the Muslims any rewards whatsoever.

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