Parihaka

Beirut airport has taken a pounding. How long before Syria gets hit?

Commando

Tonights events are going to be very interesting.. Israel could be at war with all Lebanon, Palestine, Syria and Iran tonight!!!

sparten

How? Read a map. Please.

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Confed999

Who says they'll go in? They can bomb and shell them to dust from home.
Ummmm, you mean the Lebanese gave them excuse. They are the ones that just started a war.
By Iran saying "we're at war with Israel"...

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Dreadnought

No the U.S. believes in Israels right to exist and not negociate with terrorist regimes.

Commando

Apart from Israel's nukes. whats stopping the Islamic nations joining together...

Im not too sure where ur getting with this.. Israeli aircraft are quite easily capable of targeting all those countries especially also with missiles..

And The Islamic nations will allow Irans troops to move in and fight as guerilla fighters if required.

Bluesman

Okay, WHY did you put quotations around 'terrorist'? That kind of passive-aggressive rhetoric BS is getting old.

Do you or do you not think that Islam has a terrorism problem?

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visioninthedark

This is my personal understanding of this issue - please note; I am not taking sides - just trying to understand what happened and why - do share your views and educate me with your views.

Actually - lets see both sides of the story:

Hizbollah - claim that they have been negotiating for the release of more than 10,000 Palestinian and Labenese prisnors still in Israeli prisons despite the Israeli pullout from Southern Lebanon nearly 5 years ago - and negotiations have repeatedly failed.

Hizbollah claim that Israel should have released its prisnors as was the deal - and they have tried negotiating but to no avail - so they take prisnor two IDF soldiers to use as a swap for their more than 10,000 prisnors in Israel.

Israel - after having reacted strongly to he capture of their soldier in Gaza was trying to send the message that this type of action does not payy-off for the captors - precisely to avoid more soldiers being captured - but exactly what they wanted to preven has happened!

Now the Israelis are in a fix - if the negotiate with Hizbollah straight away it will make their actions in Gaza look stupid - I mean - why not negotiate there in the first place as well!!

SO - they have to give a similar reply IN THE BEGINNING! - just to maintain that they will not take lightly the captpture of their soldiers.

Now - to be fair to the Israelis - they are not directly targeting civiliand - most of their attacks have been so as to destroy targets of strategic value without unnecessary loss of civilian life - but as in all wars - civilians do get caught in the cross-fire.

Prediction - both sides will be caught up in a spiral of violence - but eventually - this will be solved through negotiations and a prisnor swap when Israeli public opinion sees that that is the only way forward.

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dalem

Horse.

Poopy.

Even spirals have a starting point, and the starting point for this one is in Hamas' lap.

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platinum786

bluesman the next word was tactics.

you see i used "terrorist" because some of the actions whichi had in mind as a option that arabs might take within this type of scenario would not defintely be terrorism.

eg, a roadside bomb killing troops is not terrorism, that's gurilla warefare, a roadside bomb killing schoolkids is terrorism, however roadside bombs can fall under both gurilla or terrorist tactics thus i used qutations.

persoanlly i think the inernational community should take a big stick and put them all, arab and israeli alike in thier place.

dalem

What have the Israelis done to deserve censure here?

-dale

Dreadnought

Agreed its not like they werent warned several times and now some people point to Israel as the bad guy because they took the iniciative to back up their words with strong actions. If they find their soldiers were removed to Iran then they should follow right to Irans doorstep and knock VERY LOUDLY on those atomic reactors.! I would bet Syria and Irans government are a deer in the headlights right now.

sparten

You mean Israel has the range to attack Pakistan? Malaysia? Indonesia? Morroco?

Israel has always had a defensive strategy, till 1982. And the last time they went into the Leb was not exactly their finest hour was it?
And while they may be able to launch pin pricks attacks like Orsirak, I frankly doubt they can make a sustained strategic bombing operation, they could not do that in the war of attrition with bases in the Sanai, what makes you think they can do that with a country 2000 kms away?
They are already in,a whole division. A division has IIRC 15,000 soldiers. And thousands of vehicals. You don't that to mount a rescue operation.

Been watching the news lately? A rescue operation to free soldiers is something else, a division is an invasion.


With any luck the entire will blow itself to hell and then we can all have some peace.

dalem

The kidnapping was the last straw - they are also trying to answer the rockets from Gaza problem.

-dale

sparten

To stop the rockets from Gaza, they are going into Lebanon? That was Hamas, this is Hizbollah. Big, big, big difference. One is Palestinian, while the other is Iranian backed, the same Iran that everybody in the middle east hates with a passion.
Not to mention that gaza and Lebanon are geographically quite apart. And pretty different too, Hizbelloahs rockets seem to be doing a lot of damage.

On that note, I need to ask BR, how the hell do you guys ever get settlers near the occupied territories? Not exactly the most condusive place to live.