Officer of Engineers

Complete and utter BS! I'm not a fan of the CCP but when you ignore the truth of the matter, you play into their hands.

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OrdinaryGuy

OK, this article is flawed.

1) The explosion was NOT secret... India, in 1974 declared it had tested a 15 kiloton "peaceful" bomb to the rest of the world. THat is how the world knew about this explosion. It was NOT secret. The output (15kiloton) is VERY low for a nuclear bomb and was never meant to be used in warfare.. Just a test platform.
2) India did not VIOLATE any international treaty or its treaty with Canada. There was no clause in the Canadian agreement baring India from using plutonium from the reactor for a peaceful nuclear explosion. This was a debated loophole which India exploited.. But it did not violate any treaty
3) Only Plutonium was used from the Canadian reactor.... No other technology was. The actual technology to carry out the implosion was developed indigenously wihin India


Now, why India is different from the brat-pack of nuclear peddlers

1) Pakistan - India has never derived any nuclear technology from any country in the world. This is a well known fact. On the other hand, Pakistan's nuclear program is based on stolen designs by AQ Khan and nuclear fuel provided by China.... India has never engaged in any illegal nuclear cooperation with any other country in the world. We have stringent internal security procedures to keep our weapons safe. We have a solid command and control structure, with only the Indian cabinet of Security (a political institution) being able to issue the launch command in response to a nuclear strike. India has a no-first use policy.. it can only respond with a nuclear strike if attacked with nuclear weapons. Pakistan has no well-defined command structure and maintains its first strike policy if the need arises. There is a general fear that the pakistani nuclear arsenal could get into the hands of jihadis if Musharraf falls. This is a very real threat. India is a democracy.. Pakistan has never had one full democratic government last in power... It has had 2 military dictatorships.. Some of its provinces enforce Sharia, the form of islamic law that bans music and forces women to stay in home behind a veil

2) North Korea - How can you compare India and North Korea?
3) Iran - No democracy.. run by clerics.. use of chemical weapons in war.. Very different from India



India, unlike other nuclear weapon states outside the NTP is a country that focuses on economic development and poverty reduction, with less than 3% of its budget being spent on defence. How can you compare India to Pakistan who's debt and poverty have increased since 1991.. The Pakistani military clearly supported AQ Khan's nuclear proliferation agenda.. how can u compare a state like that with India which has an absolutely clean nuclear record..


This new arrangement with the US simply means India would be able to buy nuclear fuel for its civilian facilities to reach its civilian nuclear power goals. It in exchange will put all civilian nuclear facilities under the IAEA.. Why would anyone have any objection to this?

highsea

The rather obvious answer to your question is that it is a violation of the NPT for the US to provide assistance to a non-signatory state.

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Anoop C

Can you specify which article of the NPT the US would violate with such assistance?

Jay

NPT pretty much says other than N-5 no one else can develop nuke bombs and and incase a nation/Organization develops then the NPT signatories will cease all nuclear related assistance to the said country/organization.

To start with NPT is one-sided and I'm glad that India did not sign it. Now if Bush thinks helping India will add more value to his foreign policy objectives, then its his burden to get this through the Congress.

And honestly NPT did not serve its purpose, Pakistan being the prime example and China being the prime suspect. So all the hue and cry that NPT will crumble is just hog wash.

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Officer of Engineers

Don't tell me you actually believe this lie.

Samudra

Sir,

It is quite true that we had convinced the Canadians not to have any formal agreements on safeguards for the reactors(CIRUS?) spent fuel rods.The Canadians were told that the spent fuel rods would be used only for peacefull purposes.

(Sir, even today we maintain that the 1974 explosion was a PNE. )

So no written agreement was violated.

Samudra

NPT is toilet paper so far as India is concerned.

Officer of Engineers

PNE is a lie in itself.

Samudra

Ofcourse its a lie.

Horrido

I love somantics...


As to a 15 kt nuclear warhead not meant to be used in warfare, I would like to refute such nonsense using the 16 kt "Little Boy" "device" detonated over Hiroshima, Japan, August 6th, 1945 as evidence.

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troung

Who cares?

On who?

Samudra

Anoop C

If you google for CIRUS, you'll come across a statement of the agreement put forth by the Canadian Nuclear Authority that says that India had agreed not to divert the spent fuel from CIRUS for a weapons based program (the text of the agreement did have those clauses).

I'm still curious to know which articles of the NPT the US would violate with the proposed transfer of civilian nuclear tech to India. I did not find any in the original NPT. Is it anything to do with the addenda that followed?

troung

Thats about them selling it not stealing it...