Ray

Ray

bull

Its rather painfull to see , country with vast resources as Iran,wasting its time speaking rheotoric,rather than doing something to give a better life to iranians.

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lwarmonger

LOL! It's what politicians are good for. Empty rhetoric. You want to give people a better life, looking somewhere other than the government is a good idea!

Bulgaroctonus

Bluesman, for once I am in agreement with you. Iran has been tolerated for too long. Israel must not allow Iran's nuclear threat to mature. Now that we have seen the full extent of Tehran's vision, we should not shy from decisive war.

Bulgaroctonus

Platinum, you seem to have some knowledge of Rap music. I think there are several Wu Tang Clan lyrics that are in order here.

"And if you want beef, then bring the ruckus
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nuttin ta **** with
Straight from the mother****ing slums that's busted
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nuttin ta **** with"

There are many others where that comes from.

Bluesman

Great. Super.

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Sameer

"Originally Posted by platinum786
I'd like Israel to reply with a stern response, diss him back, tell him how it is....

I'd like to see Ariel Sharon drop this line....

"You want to bring it, bring it, we ain't singing we bringing drama, f**k you and your motherf**king mama" (Tupac Shakur R.I.P).....

That would be sooo funny."


Err Biggie's gang did bring it and they shot Tupac 10 times and unlike 50 cent, he "aint fxxxing breathin"



I like rap its so funny, reminds me of the circus.

bull

Iran is no arab country,moreover they havebeef with all mahor Me countries bcoz of the naming of persian gulf.they have banned a lot of imports from Me countries due to this issue.
And also they have border dispute with UAE.

InfiniteDreams

Good post. I agree with your analogy 100%. The term 'regime change' seems to apply IMNSHO. The US, Israel and the EU should go in and do what we are currently doing in Iraq. Any Arab states that intervene will share the same fate. Assurances and Guaruantees should be given to appease China and Russia so they stay on the sidelines during the confict.

There is the potential for a nuclear exchange or all out nuclear war if Iran is left alone to pursue WMD or mass build up of conventional weapons. I also wouldn't be suprised if there is a secret pact bewtween Iran and the DPRK in case either one is attacked which hopefully the US has contingency plans for.

This is like a train wreck waiting to happen and you can see it from a mile away. If nothing is done we're going to be in WWIII perhaps sooner than we think.

If history has taught us anything it's that when someone says they're going to kill you...they intend to do just that.

"Death to America" "Death to Israel" chants should not be taken lightly.

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Swift Sword

And Japan and China and India and the CIS and quite a few others.

Herein lies the rub: positive relations and/or economic ties with Iran are inceasingly becoming part of the security calculus of some other important players. The Bush Administration has consistently been so weak on diplomacy and foreign policy that they have essentially let the Iranians have the game at this point.

If we set aside nationalism, it's associated jingoism and the general ideologic trash that both the Bush Administration and the Mullahs pimp for internal consumption, it appears that a quick thaw and some sort of normalized relations with Iran are decidedly in the American self interest and would be of great benefit to the transformation of the Iranian economy and society as well.

Furthermore, it is worth pointing out that the United States and Israel do not appear to have the intelligence resources or strike assets to make a credible threat of WMD pre-emption or decapitating strike against the Iranians.

Monk

Correct Assessment.

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Praxus

While we're at it, let's release all the criminals from our prisons and make normalized relations with them. How dare we think ourselves better men for not murdering, raping, and looting!

You can not negotiate with a tyrant, least of all a self-proclaimed pious one.

Bluesman

Good post.

Bluesman

Well, shame on them for letting themselves be bought by commecial concern ahead of the security of the entire region. If they've chosen to pimp themselves out to the Iranians, then clearly THEIR foreign policy is the short-sighted and impotent one, in marked contrast to the point you make below.

And yet, the Bush administration is THE only entity that has or ever WILL have any real leverage over the Iranians. I think you have the situation completely upside down.

Reward them for bad behavior, eh? NO. How do you suppose THAT would play in Tehran? As a sell-out of anti-government forces; as weakness on our part, and an unwillingness to back our interests, and as serving the interests of the ones bad-mouthing us.

TERRIBLE move. I would have thought, with all the historical evidence so abundant in the last century, that appeasement would be out of style.

And just how do you come to THAT completely erroneous conclusion?