...but the objective of the mission was still accomplished.Originally Posted by troung
My point is if you can secure the air space you can pretty much do anything you like underneath it. Why not then send specOps to do the destruction underneath at Qom?
While im not advocating for an attack on Iran per-ser, but the notion that if Iran is attacked they will go nuclear as if they don't intend to go nuclear now, is naive. Iran is going nuclear right now as it is, the issue is can they be delayed or can they be stopped altogether.
Bit by bit as they now come close to a nuke, they are declaring their intentions openly. Attacked or not, eventually they will detonate a device and put Israel, the West on notice.
The worry is not that if attacked they will go nuclear. The worry is that if attacked, they will use their proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah, to reign terror upon Israel, and may not stop with using just conventional weapons
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Going nuclear right now or keeping the option of going nuclear in the future ?
How to tell
What if Iran is aiming to do a Japan.
No test but to have enough expertise & fuel to assemble a gun type bomb if required later.
From whiskey's post earlier the harder part is having enough fuel for a bomb as opposed to making one. Lets say they manage to get the right amount of fuel and then agree to stop and allow full inspections.
What does the world do in this situation. Ask them to hand it over or no deal. What if Iran refuses.
The only way to stop Iran is regime change, cannot see how that can be done without an invasion. And it would seem nobody is in the mood to do that just yet.
bombing for the sake of it makes no sense otherwise. Too many loose ends and plenty of opportunity for collateral damage in the region. Arguably, a worse outcome than present.
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Last edited by Double Edge; 04 Feb 12, at 22:25.
They don't have the capabilities
Business as usual then
Then where does it end B? Do you think by waiting until Iran has nukes is going to stop Hezbollah from reigning terror in the next war? Maybe its easy for me to say because im not the one faced with the threat.....at least not immediately, but how does allowing Iran to go nuclear going to reduce the threat of a terror war from Hezbollah? If anything i thought the opposite was true.
Trust them if you want, im not stopping you. I have no faith in people that have no respect for their own people.Going nuclear right now or keeping the option of going nuclear in the future ?
How to tell
What if Iran is aiming to do a Japan.
No test but to have enough expertise & fuel to assemble a gun type bomb if required later.
They already have enough for 4 crude devices, what do you mean they don't have enough fuel? They have 100kg 20% grade and thousands of kg LEU.
The world does not have to deal with that if they are stopped before.
The Iranians can decide who they want to lead them, if they want the Mullahs fine. The only beef the world has with Iran is the nuclear issue. Blow up everything till kingdom come and see where they will find hundreds of billions of dollars to rebuild when Iranians on the streets are clamoring for food on the table with 3 digit inflation.
They don't need to have the capabilities, Israel has. Once Israel clears the IAF and radar stations, any truck and wheelbarrow from the rest can inflict something.
Difference in the targets (Iran has multiple sites), the defenses and the distances...but the objective of the mission was still accomplished.
Because it's a dumb idea.My point is if you can secure the air space you can pretty much do anything you like underneath it. Why not then send specOps to do the destruction underneath at Qom?
They are not going to be teaming up with Israel to drop bombs on anyone...They don't need to have the capabilities, Israel has. Once Israel clears the IAF and radar stations, any truck and wheelbarrow from the rest can inflict something.
Seriously how much have you read about this issue or region?
Last edited by troung; 04 Feb 12, at 23:46.
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Not a question of trust but a statement of what is.
Presumably Iran wants to be able to make more than 4 devices before they stop. This is why they are playing for time or it appears that way.
Which is why i posted the link that spoke about the post Osirak developments in iraq. Everybody assumed it was over after the attack, it was not.
How far along the curve is Iran, beginner or beyond. They've had an atomic power program since the 50s.
Think you are getting ahead of yourself.
Noticed how the sanctions on Syria or the central bank of Iran went. If you cannot get agreement on something like sanctions how the heck do you expect to 'blow up everything till kingdom come'.
What will your cassus belli be ?
Im talking about Qom
It wasn't dumb last month rescuing two hostages in Ethiopia? It wasn't dumb getting Bin laden. It wasn't dumb at Entebe, Operation Chavin de Huantar and Operation Barras. Maybe you should give specs more credit.
They don't have to team up with Israel. When Iranian missiles start landing on their soils they will be forced to respond to save face. With a destroyed air force and radar stations, they can freely make their pot shorts anytime they want, they don't have to team up with Israel. Israel just has to open the door.
Enough to know that the region is not so nuts about the Mullahs in Iran.
What is then is not, unless of cause you have faith that they will 'stop'.
Like i said, go ahead and trust that, i don't. What if they are going to donate the material to the IAEA? What if, what if..?
Iraq's program was forever set back, history has confirmed that. Syrian program to the best of our understanding is now only a wish in Assad's head.
Various estimates are out there, all of them are not encouraging to the free world.
That which is known can be blown up.....so far.
African militiamen/rebels and thugs in uniform - Iran is a bit more capable and this SOF team would be in the middle of Iran. Having to pass through their AD network for a few hours back and forth; during an election year. Iran posing with the bodies of dead helicopter crews and commandos would kill Obama's reelection chances.It wasn't dumb last month rescuing two hostages in Ethiopia? It wasn't dumb getting Bin laden. It wasn't dumb at Entebe, Operation Chavin de Huantar and Operation Barras. Maybe you should give specs more credit.
Israel isn't able to, in the real world, run a sustained bombing campaign to take out the Iranian AD/AF and the Arab royal flying clubs and parade armies won't be joining them.They don't have to team up with Israel. When Iranian missiles start landing on their soils they will be forced to respond to save face. With a destroyed air force and radar stations, they can freely make their pot shorts anytime they want, they don't have to team up with Israel. Israel just has to open the door.
....Enough to know that the region is not so nuts about the Mullahs in Iran.
Last edited by troung; 05 Feb 12, at 01:35.
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