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    Another Scientist is blown up...

    Iranian Nuclear Scientist Killed In Car Bomb Blast | Fox News



    TEHRAN, Iran – Two assailants on a motorcycle attached magnetic bombs to the car of an Iranian university professor working at a key nuclear facility, killing him and another person Wednesday, state TV reported. The slayings suggest a widening covert effort to set back Iran's atomic program.

    The attack in Tehran bore a strong resemblance to earlier killings of scientists working on the Iranian nuclear program. It is certain to amplify authorities' claims of clandestine operations by Western powers and their allies to halt Iran's nuclear advances.

    The bomb killed Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a chemistry expert and a director of the Natanz uranium enrichment facility in central Iran, state TV reported. Natanz is Iran's main enrichment site, but officials claimed earlier this week that they are expanding some operations to an underground site south of Tehran with more advanced equipment.

    The U.S. and its allies are pressuring Iran to halt uranium enrichment, a key element of the nuclear program that the West suspects is aimed at producing atomic weapons. Uranium enriched to low levels can be used as nuclear fuel but at higher levels, it can be used as material for a nuclear warhead.

    Iran denies it is trying to make nuclear weapons, saying its program is for peaceful purposes only and is geared toward generating electricity and producing medical radioisotopes to treat cancer patients.

    Iran has claimed that Israel's Mossad, the CIA and Britain's spy agency are engaged in an underground "terrorism" campaign against nuclear-related targets, including at least three slayings since early 2010 and the release of a malicious computer virus known at Stuxnet in 2010 that Iran says disrupted controls of some centrifuges -- a key component in nuclear fuel production. Both countries have denied the Iranian accusations.

    Israeli officials have hinted about covert campaigns against Iran without directly admitting involvement.

    On Tuesday, Israeli military chief Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz was quoted as telling a parliamentary panel that 2012 would be a "critical year" for Iran -- in part because of "things that happen to it unnaturally."

    "Many bad things have been happening to Iran in the recent period," added Mickey Segal, a former director of the Israeli military's Iranian intelligence department. "Iran is in a situation where pressure on it is mounting, and the latest assassination joins the pressure that the Iranian regime is facing."

    Safar Ali Baratloo, a senior security official, was quoted by Fars as saying the attack was the work of Israelis.

    "The magnetic bomb is of the same types already used to assassinate our scientists," he said.

    Roshan, 32, was inside the Iranian-assembled Peugeot 405 car together with two others when the bomb exploded near Gol Nabi Street in north Tehran, Fars reported. It said the person accompanying Roshan died later of injuries at a hospital.

    The state news agency IRNA said an 85-year old passer-by was injured in the blast.

    Fars described the explosion as a "terrorist attack" targeting Roshan, a graduate of the prestigious Sharif University of Technology in Tehran.

    Roshan was a chemistry expert who was involved in building polymeric layers for gas separation, which is the use of various membranes to isolate gases. He was also deputy director of Natanz uranium enrichment plant, in central Iran, for commercial affairs. According to conservative news website mashreghnews.ir, Roshan was in charge of purchasing and supplying equipment for the facility.

    Natanz is the centerpiece of Iran's efforts to make its own nuclear fuel. But Iran said earlier this week it was expanding some operations to a bunker-like site south of Tehran protected under 300 feet of rock. The existence of the Fordo facility has been known for more than two years, but some Western officials fear the opening of the labs could be another step toward developing nuclear arms.

    Iran also had held or announced a series of war games since December that included threats to close the Gulf's vital Strait of Hormuz -- the passageway for about one-sixth of the world's oil -- in retaliation for stronger U.S.-led sanctions.

    "Assassinations, military threats and political pressures ... The enemy insists on the tactic of creating fear to stop Iran's peaceful nuclear activities," Fars quoted lawmaker Javad Jahangirzadeh as saying in reaction to the blast.

    A similar bomb explosion exactly two years ago -- Jan. 12, 2010 -- killed Tehran University professor Masoud Ali Mohammadi, a senior physics professor. He was killed when a bomb-rigged motorcycle exploded near his car as he was about to leave for work.

    The semiofficial Mehr news agency said that Roshan had planned to attend a memorial ceremony later Wednesday for the slain professor.

    In November 2010, a pair of back-to-back bomb attacks in different parts of the capital killed another nuclear scientist and wounded one more.

    The slain scientist, Majid Shahriari, was a member of the nuclear engineering faculty at Shahid Beheshti University in Tehran and cooperated with the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran. The wounded scientist, Fereidoun Abbasi, was almost immediately appointed head of Iran's atomic agency.

    And in July 2011, motorcycle-riding gunmen killed Darioush Rezaeinejad, an electronics student. Other reports identified him as a scientist involved in suspected Iranian attempts to make nuclear weapons.

    Rezaeinejad allegedly participated in developing high-voltage switches, a key component in setting off the explosions needed to trigger a nuclear warhead.

    The United States and some allies say Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons technology. Iran denies the allegations, saying that its program is intended for energy and medical research.

    The latest blast is certain to bring fresh charges by Iran that the U.S. and allies are waging a clandestine campaign of bloodshed and sabotage in attempts to set back Iran's nuclear efforts.

    "Instead of actually fighting a conventional war, Western powers and their allies appear to be relying on covert war tactics to try to delay and degrade Iran's nuclear advancement," said Theodore Karasik, a security expert at the Dubai-based Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis.

    He said the use of magnetic bombs bears the hallmarks of covert operations.

    "It's a very common way to eliminate someone," he added. "It's clean, easy and efficient."

    Meir Javedanfar, an Iranian-born analyst based in Israel, said Iran's leadership is being pushed toward a decision on whether to "retaliate or compromise" as sanctions squeeze the economy and undercut the value of the Iranian rial.

    "From the international consensus that we can see against Iran, even if (Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei) does retaliate, it's not very likely that the pressure -- sanctions and isolation -- would ease," he said. "He's in a tight spot."

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    I am finding this very coincidental that everytime the US and Iran spar over their nuclear program a university professor is blown up and then it is stated in Iranian press that the guy was the oobergoober in charge of the whole nuclear power shabang.
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    I confess, it was me. I got on my motorbike here in Tel Aviv, drove all the way to Tehran, planted the bombs, got on my motorbike and drove all the way back without missing even one class.
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    You wonder why people hate you

    Seriously,are these guys nuts,or just slow learners?You have the guys presumably working on nukes.In the ole Germany or USSR,such brains were highly protected.You don't live in downtown,you live in a protected facility(with your family,if they're generous).There's a ton of security and you don't have to drive anywhere.You're driven where you need to go,with an escort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    Seriously,are these guys nuts,or just slow learners?You have the guys presumably working on nukes.In the ole Germany or USSR,such brains were highly protected.You don't live in downtown,you live in a protected facility(with your family,if they're generous).There's a ton of security and you don't have to drive anywhere.You're driven where you need to go,with an escort.
    so, the Iranians wanted it dead more than alive ?
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    The Iranians are doing more to kill their own programs than they are to keep them alive. You would figure that after the last two were blown to hell they would have done something to protect them. The other thing that is interesting is that it is younger progressive scientists that are being executed. This leads me to believe that they went to their bosses and said something like, "hey we need to conform to what the west is recommending" and got them selves kilt.

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    Iran has claimed that Israel's Mossad, the CIA and Britain's spy agency are engaged in an underground "terrorism" campaign against nuclear-related targets, including at least three slayings since early 2010 and the release of a malicious computer virus known at Stuxnet in 2010 that Iran says disrupted controls of some centrifuges -- a key component in nuclear fuel production. Both countries have denied the Iranian accusations.

    Dont see how that can be, remember they did claim they have arrested all the spies from the West. Including those that arent even spies just hold dual citizenship and happen to live in the West to escape their bullshit rule.

    For all they know it could be one of their very own who know exactly what their program is intended for if it hasnt already been made clear enough. 20% enriched in military grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    You wonder why people hate you

    Seriously,are these guys nuts,or just slow learners?You have the guys presumably working on nukes.In the ole Germany or USSR,such brains were highly protected.You don't live in downtown,you live in a protected facility(with your family,if they're generous).There's a ton of security and you don't have to drive anywhere.You're driven where you need to go,with an escort.
    Just like the reverse-engineering scientists out at Area 51, right? Tankie knows all about them . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Iran has claimed that Israel's Mossad, the CIA and Britain's spy agency are engaged in an underground "terrorism" campaign against nuclear-related targets, including at least three slayings since early 2010 and the release of a malicious computer virus known at Stuxnet in 2010 that Iran says disrupted controls of some centrifuges -- a key component in nuclear fuel production. Both countries have denied the Iranian accusations.

    Dont see how that can be, remember they did claim they have arrested all the spies from the West. Including those that arent even spies just hold dual citizenship.

    For all they know it could be one of their very own.
    It is my belief that Iran is creating its own False Flag situations to get the world opinion turned in their favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanker View Post
    It is my belief that Iran is creating its own False Flag situations to get the world opinion turned in their favor.
    If this were the goal it would be a lot more productive to blow up something that kills a bunch of innocent people, which is not unheard of in Iran.

    Iran actually wants their nuclear program to succeed, so killing their own scientists for propaganda purposes seems rather questionable, especially when Mossad would be more than happy to carry out an operation like this.
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    They do have need for small amount of 20 % fuel as their research reactor is running/has run out of fuel. Initially that US built reactor used uranium of much higher purity but it was modified by Argentina (?) to accept 20 % fuel. Some years ago IAEA estimated that by 2010-2011 it would be spent.. and then the Iranians won´t have production of medically essential isotypes.

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    What is the life expactancy of nuclear engineer in Iran these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traxus View Post
    If this were the goal it would be a lot more productive to blow up something that kills a bunch of innocent people, which is not unheard of in Iran.
    OK...and how would that prove that the West is trying to destroy Iran's nuclear ambition? It doesn't. Killing people associated with the program does that.

    Iran actually wants their nuclear program to succeed, so killing their own scientists for propaganda purposes seems rather questionable, especially when Mossad would be more than happy to carry out an operation like this.
    Questionable? Not really. Look back in history and you will find a ton of leaders that killed their own people and blamed it on someone else. Iran has a habit of blaming everybody but themselves for things that happen within their country.

    So with that being said, is it possible that the forces in Iran that want a nuclear free Iran are involved in the "whacking" of nuclear scientists? How many American scientists were knocked off from the 40's to the 70's? How many British? How many French...Germans...Canadians...and so on? Russians? Chinese? To be honest, I can't remember but I think Iran is the only country that seems to have this issue. If we want the program ended why not just give Israel the airspace...look what they did in Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    What is the life expactancy of nuclear engineer in Iran these days?
    well...it seems to be only when there is a serious issue with US/Iran relations...The last time it happened there was a lot of war talk going on just like now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    What is the life expactancy of nuclear engineer in Iran these days?
    I would say nil - it doesn't seem like a very good way to make a living, as The Outlaw Josie Wales once told the bounty hunter - "dyin ain't no way to make a livin, boy"

    If they need medical isotopes, they could buy them for much less than the cost of building a nuclear program - especially while they are under attack from most of the world for doing it.
    The quantities needed for that are tiny, a years supply for Iran wouldn't make one good dirty bomb.
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    I think Occam's razor may apply here. It may very well be shady alphabet agencies trying to put a crimp in Iran's nuclear program. Stuxnet was another example.

    I don't think it is impossible that it is an Iranian scheme to garner sympathy and/or gather her people into a unified mindset - "THEY are after us; they want to stop us" - but I'm not thinking it's the most likely explanation.

    Remember the Manhattan project had thousands of people working on it. There were a few dozen extremely important brains, and also hundreds of worker bees who could all be called "scientists." Tanker, if your theory is true, this may well be a low-level fellow who is incompetent, displeased his superiors, or both.
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