Thread: Endgame in Iran?

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The EASIEST method is to identify a bomb making factory location ... and then to destroy that location. However, failing that, we know how much electricity cascades need ... and that means destroying the electrical grid ... which also will result in the destruction of the water and sewage treatment plants.

That's going to be a real blow to them as Tehran has just undertaken a Sewerage collection & infrastructure treatment program through a loan from the World Bank / IMF whatever (escaped me now) Prior to 2002 the cities effluent was just dumped into the ground I.E prior they did not have treatment. Back to 2002.

Originally Posted by Chunder

That's going to be a real blow to them as Tehran has just undertaken a Sewerage collection & infrastructure treatment program through a loan from the World Bank / IMF whatever (escaped me now) Prior to 2002 the cities effluent was just dumped into the ground I.E prior they did not have treatment. Back to 2002.

Might surprise some but most of the worlds cities dumps their waste water directly into nearby river, even if a waste water treatment plant is installed the capacity it was built to handle is much smaller than the capacity required to treat the complete waste.
Same goes for the water treatment plants.

It is the sewage collection and disposal (into the river) network that is more important, as most cities over several years of not living with a water treatment and waste water treatment plant have found some solutions to address the problem in limited ways.

Originally Posted by kuku

Might surprise some but most of the worlds cities dumps their waste water directly into nearby river, even if a waste water treatment plant is installed the capacity it was built to handle is much smaller than the capacity required to treat the complete waste.
Same goes for the water treatment plants.

It is the sewage collection and disposal (into the river) network that is more important, as most cities over several years of not living with a water treatment and waste water treatment plant have found some solutions to address the problem in limited ways.

Yes mate, I understand this but; it is from whoom Tehran got the money from to build the treatment system that indicates the inability of the state to finance it's own construction, and if, having financed from an international financier is an indication in it's own right, then one can gather that there was political pressure to some extent to build a system (whatever that may be). Destroying said system although on face value there are examples of reticulation systems that run naturally and are cleaned naturally (Tehran isn't one) returns it to the status quo. I.E the unpleasant system that existed before - except for much worse, it bottles it up, it can't run away. The same principles the English had that Bazeljet? had with the London sewer system, have to a major degree been made a considerable Achilles heel of any developed utility society. Even at the end of the system, Bazeljets required steam pumps to enter into the Thames. - BUT it did so as an entity unto itself, at considerable distance from London.

It is worth noting, that Bazeljet went through considerable stress, accusations of mismanagement, et al, and that Parliament just did not want to do anything about the problem, until sewerage was at the foot of west minister on stinking hot summer days. Tehran is a damned hot place. A summer campaign would be absolutely devastating.

Most developing nations around the world are looking for financing of a project from world bank even if the resources are available they could be used elsewhere like a shiny new missile, new mosques, upgrading a state owened oil and gas infra, financing insurgents in near by nations etc. etc.

Most of the treatment process are quite natural.

If the electricity part in the system (required for pumps and in the treatment plat) is missing they can be substituted by electricity generators as the system is designed with them as back-up, although oil might be in shortage.

Originally Posted by kuku

Most developing nations around the world are looking for financing of a project from world bank even if the resources are available they could be used elsewhere like a shiny new missile, new mosques, upgrading a state owened oil and gas infra, financing insurgents in near by nations etc. etc.

Most of the treatment process are quite natural.

If the electricity part in the system (required for pumps and in the treatment plat) is missing they can be substituted by electricity generators as the system is designed with them as back-up, although oil might be in shortage.

What about treating the clean water for use?

For 2010 my wish is that the green revolution will overthrow the bearded ones, restoring Iran to the international community, and putting an end to the nuke program.

IF they succeed in overthrowing the regime, it is not such wishful thinking - it is a plausible political avenue for a triumphant revolution if you think about it. So good luck.

My wish for 2010 is that America takes out Iran's nuclear capabilities regardless of what type of government the Iranian people finally decide to create. Time's up and there's little doubt as to what the Iranian government intends.

That mustn't be allowed to occur and it's not up to Israel to resolve such either. All of us will have to accept a spike to energy prices and all that entails for the global economy's recovery. It was inevitable. If such accelerates the development of less vulnerable marketing channels or speeds along viable sources of alternative energy, all the better and necessary as an offset.

Nonetheless, an Iranian nuclear weapon is unacceptable. It goes beyond non-proliferation as a concept and reaches right into our back yard with Venezuela.

Time for this to be brought to a head and finished. Reasonable dialogue has proved fruitless and Iran must hear the message in an unmistakable language which it can easily understand.