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    I would have thought Netanyahu would be more Hawkish than Sharon was. But im sure if an Israeli attack comes it will be a calculated strategy, not out of rage or response to any Iranian rhetoric.
    *Given Sharon's track record during the late 60's war and Obamas attitude towards Israel, I think the results would have been quite obvious by now. BOOM!
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    Secret Report: Iran will Have Nuclear Bomb This Year

    (IsraelNN.com) A secret intelligence dossier currently being reviewed by US, Israeli, German, and Austrian governments reveals secret Iranian tests and hierarchies of power dedicated to the successful development of a nuclear bomb, and predicts that Iran will have a primitive nuclear bomb by year's end.

    According to the classified document featured in an exposé by Germany's Der Spiegel magazine, Iran is well on its way toward obtaining its first nuclear bomb. The country's nuclear research program, it turns out, has a military wing answering to the Defense Ministry which the West was not aware of until now.

    Der Spiegel explained the structure of Iranian nuclear establishment at length. Iran's new Minister of Science, Research, and Technology, Kamran Daneshjoo, 52, is in charge of the country's nuclear energy agency. A close ally of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Daneshjoo was educated in Manchester, England. He worked for some time at Tehran's "Center for Aviation Technology", which later developed into FEDAT, the "Department for Expanded High-Technology Applications". FEDAT ultimately became what the German paper calls "the secret heart of Iran's nuclear weapons program", answering directly to the Defense Ministry.

    FEDAT is currently run by Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, 48, a professor at Tehran's Imam Hussein University and officer in the Revolutionary Guard. Western intelligence agencies say FEDAT and the Ministry of Science are working together to create the bomb. They also believe that a primitive nuclear weapon the size of a truck will be completed this year.

    Two to four years after that, the bomb will be compressed to a size capable of fitting into a nuclear warhead and being launched at Israel.

    Iran is believed to have conducted successful tests of a nuclear detonating device 6 years ago.

    'Not just Israeli propaganda'
    Despite the severity of the situation, the international community is still undecided on sanctions of Iran. China is considered likely to try to block sanctions, as it currently holds billions of dollars in energy deals with the country.

    A military option may prove difficult, according to military experts, because many of the Iranian nuclear installations are deep underground.

    The report will likely cause the US government to raise its alarm level from yellow to red, according to Der Spiegel. "Skeptics who in the past, sometimes justifiably so, treated alarmist reports as Israeli propaganda, are also extremely worried," including IAEA officials, said the magazine. The report also says, somewhat cryptically, that a laptop computer passed on to the IAEA by way of German and American intelligence agencies contained highly volatile material.

    No compromise
    Fears of a nuclear Iran have been compounded by information provided by Iran's former deputy defense minister, Ali Reza Asgari, and nuclear scientist Shahram Amiri, both of whom defected to the United States and were given new identities.

    Iran has consistently stated that its nuclear program is for the peaceful provision of nuclear energy to the country's citizenry.

    In October, the IAEA presented a plan to Iran which had been developed by the US government. Under the plan, Iran would send 70% of its low-enriched uranium abroad. A year later, the uranium would be exchanged for fuel rods, a potent form of nuclear fuel which is very difficult to enrich for military purposes.

    The plan would have provided sufficient fuel for a nuclear energy program and to fuel the reactor for scientific experiments. At the same time, the world would have been assured that Iran truly had no intention of developing nuclear weapons.

    On January 19, Tehran offered a "counter-proposal", effectively rejecting the IAEA plan and casting off illusions of a compromise with the West.
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    Print Story: Iran moves closer to nuke warhead capacity - Yahoo! News

    Iran moves closer to nuke warhead capacity
    By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer George Jahn, Associated Press Writer 3 mins ago

    VIENNA – Iran pressed ahead Monday with plans that will increase its ability to make nuclear weapons as it formally informed the U.N. nuclear agency of its intention to enrich uranium to higher levels.

    Alarmed world powers questioned the rationale behind the move and warned the country it could face more U.N. sanctions if it made good on its intentions.

    Iran maintains its nuclear activities are peaceful, and an envoy insisted the move was meant only to provide fuel for Tehran's research reactor. But world powers fearing that Iran's enrichment program might be a cover for a weapons program were critical.

    Britain said the Islamic Republic's reason for further enrichment made no sense because it is not technically advanced enough to turn the resulting material into the fuel rods needed for the reactor.

    France and the U.S. said the latest Iranian move left no choice but to push harder for a fourth set of U.N. Security Council sanctions to punish Iran's nuclear defiance.

    Even a senior parliamentarian from Russia, which traditionally opposes Western ambitions for new U.N. sanctions, suggested the time had now come for such additional punishment

    Konstantin Kosachev, head of the international affairs committee of the State Duma — the lower house of parliament — told the Interfax news agency that the international community should "react to this step with serious measures, including making the regime of economic sanctions more severe."

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had already announced Sunday that his country would significantly enrich at least some of the country's stockpile of uranium to 20 percent. Still, Monday's formal notification was significant, particularly because of Iran's waffling in recent months on the issue.

    Western powers blame Iran for rejecting an internationally endorsed plan to take Iranian low enriched uranium, further enriching it and return it in the form of fuel rods for the reactor — and in broader terms for turning down other overtures meant to diminish concerns about its nuclear agenda.

    Telling The Associated Press that his country now had formally told the International Atomic Energy Agency of its intentions, Iranian envoy Ali Asghar Soltanieh said that IAEA inspectors now overseeing enrichment to low levels would be able to stay on site to monitor the process.

    He suggested world powers had pushed Iran into the decision, asserting that it was their fault that the plan that foresaw Russian and French involvement in supplying fuel from enriched uranium for the Tehran research reactor had failed.

    "Until now, we have not received any response to our positive logical and technical proposal," he said. "We cannot leave hospitals and patients desperately waiting for radio isotopes" being produced at the Tehran reactor and used in cancer treatment, he added.

    The IAEA confirmed receiving formal notification in a restricted note to the agency's 35-nation board made available to The Associated Press.

    Iran's atomic energy organization informed the agency that "production of less than 20 percent enriched uranium is being foreseen," said the note.

    "Less than 20 percent" means enrichment to a tiny fraction below that level — in effect 20 percent but formally just below threshold for high enriched uranium.

    At the same time, the note indicated that Iran was keeping the agency in the dark about specifics, saying the IAEA "is in the process of seeking clarifications from Iran regarding the starting date of the process for the production of such material and other technical details."

    On Sunday, Iranian officials said higher enrichment would start on Tuesday.

    At a news conference with French Defense Minister Herve Morin, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates praised President Barack Obama's attempts to engage the Islamic Republic diplomatically and chided Tehran for not reciprocating.

    "No U.S. president has reached out more sincerely, and frankly taken more political risk, in an effort to try to create an opening for engagement for Iran," he said. "All these initiatives have been rejected."

    Morin said France and the U.S. agreed that there was no choice but "to work for new measures within the framework of the Security Council" — a stance echoed by Israel, Iran's most implacable foe.

    Tehran's enrichment plans are "additional proof of the fact that Iran is ridiculing the entire world," said Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak. "The right response is to impose decisive and permanent sanctions on Iran."

    Although material for the fissile core of a nuclear warhead must be enriched to a level of 90 percent or more, just getting its stockpile to the 20 percent mark would be a major step for Iran's nuclear program. While enriching to 20 percent would take about one year, using up to 2,000 centrifuges at Tehran's underground Natanz facility, any next step — moving from 20 to 90 percent — would take only half a year and between 500-1,000 centrifuges.

    Achieving the 20-percent level "would be going most of the rest of the way to weapon-grade uranium," said David Albright, whose Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security tracks suspected proliferators.

    Soltanieh declined to say how much of Iran's stockpile — now estimated at 1.8 tons — would be enriched. Nor did he say when the process would begin. Albright said enriching to higher levels could begin within a day — or only in several months, depending on how far technical preparations had progressed.

    Apparent technical problems could also slow the process, he said.

    Iran's enrichment program "should be like a Christmas tree in full light," he said. "In fact, the lights are flickering."

    While Iran would be able to enrich up to 20 percent, a senior U.S official told the AP that the research reactor would run out of fuel before enough material was produced. He asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the issue.

    Britain's Foreign Office said the "enriched uranium could not be used for the Tehran Research Reactor as Iran does not have the technology to manufacture it into fuel rods."

    Legal constraints could tie Iran's hands as well. A senior official from one of the IAEA's 35 board member nations senior official said he believed Tehran was obligated to notify the agency 60 days in advance of starting to enrich to higher levels.

    The official asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to comment on the issue.

    The Iranian move came just days after Ahmadinejad appeared to move close to endorsing the original deal, which foresaw Tehran exporting the bulk of its low-enriched uranium to Russia for further enrichment and then conversion for fuel rods for the research reactor.

    That plan was welcomed internationally because it would have delayed Iran's ability to make a nuclear weapons by shipping out about 70 percent of its low-enriched uranium stockpile, thereby leaving it with not enough to make a bomb. Tehran denies nuclear weapons ambitions, insisting it needs to enrich to create fuel for an envisioned nuclear reactor network.

    The proposal was endorsed by the U.S., Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany — the six powers that originally elicited a tentative approval from Iran in landmark talks last fall. Since then, however, mixed messages from Tehran have infuriated the U.S. and its European allies, who claim Iran is only stalling for time as it attempts to build a nuclear weapon.

    Iran has defied five U.N. Security Council resolutions — and three sets of U.N. sanctions — aimed at pressuring it to freeze enrichment, and has instead steadily expanded its program.

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    Associated Press writers Danica Kirka and David Stringer in London, Anne Flaherty in Paris, Matthew Lee in Washington, James Heintz in Moscow and Geir Moulson in Berlin contributed to this report.

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    Prime Minister Gordon Brown said on Thursday the international community was moving closer to imposing sanctions on Iran because of its nuclear programme.



    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinnerjacket announced on Thursday that Iran was capable of enriching uranium to more than 80 percent purity, coming close to levels experts say would be needed for a nuclear bomb, although he said that was not the country's intention.

    "I believe the mood around the world is now increasingly one where, patience not being inexhaustible, people are turning to look at the specific sanctions we can plan on Iran," Brown told BBC TV.

    ""This is a critical time for Iran's relationship with the rest of the world."

    Brown said the international community did not want to impose sanctions but would do so if Iran did not cooperate more fully over its nuclear plans.






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    Ut oh there goes the neighborhood

    Israel announces new fleet of Drone aircraft capable of reaching Iran.

    TEL NOF AIR FORCE BASE, Israel (AP) - Israel's air force on Sunday introduced a fleet of huge pilotless planes that can remain in the air for a full day and could fly as far as the Persian Gulf, putting rival Iran within its range.

    The Heron TP drones have a wingspan of 86 feet (26 meters), making them the size of Boeing 737 passenger jets and the largest unmanned aircraft in Israel's military. The planes can fly at least 20 consecutive hours and are primarily used for surveillance and carrying diverse payloads.

    At the fleet's inauguration ceremony at a sprawling air base in central Israel, the drone dwarfed an F-15 fighter jet parked beside it. The unmanned plane resembles its predecessor, the Heron, but can fly higher, reaching an altitude of more than 40,000 feet (12,000 meters), and remain in the air longer.

    "With the inauguration of the Heron TP, we are realizing the air force's dream," said Brig. Gen. Amikam Norkin, commander of the base that will operate the drones. "The Heron TP is a technological and operational breakthrough."

    The commander of Israel's air force, Maj. Gen. Ido Nehushtan, said the aircraft "has the potential to be able to conduct new missions down the line as they become relevant."

    Israel's military refused to say how large the new fleet is or whether the planes were designed for use against Iran, but stressed it was versatile and could adapt to new missions. The plane's maker, state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries, has said it is capable of reaching the Persian Gulf, which would put Iran within its range.

    Israeli defense officials said the Heron TP could be a useful tool against Iran. It could provide surveillance, jam enemy communications and connect ground control and manned air force planes.

    The officials requested anonymity because they were discussing sensitive military technology.

    Israel considers Iran a strategic threat because of its nuclear program, long-range missiles and repeated references by its leaders to the Jewish state's destruction.

    Israel has hinted at the possibility of a military strike against Iran if world pressure does not halt Tehran's nuclear program. Israel and the U.S. believe Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons; Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes.

    In past conflicts, various types and sizes of unmanned planes have been used in missions like long-range surveillance and attacking enemy targets with guided missiles in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan, where anti-aircraft systems are rudimentary.

    They have proven much less successful in conflicts where the opponents possessed better anti-aircraft weapons.

    During NATO's aerial onslaught against Serbia in 1999, for example, Serbian quickly forces shot down 42 U.S. drones, drastically reducing the effectiveness of the bombing campaign.

    "We are aware of the dangers such an aircraft can meet in the battlefield, and we do whatever we can to protect it," said air force Lt. Col. Eyal.

    Eyal, whose last name was not disclosed in line with military guidelines, would not comment on how the plane could protect itself from anti-aircraft systems.

    Israeli defense analyst Shlomo Brom, a retired general and security expert at Tel Aviv University's Institute for National Security Studies, called the new drone a breakthrough.

    "Its staying power and the height it can reach means it is able to cover ground continuously and it is able to cover large territory," he said.

    Israel's military was the first to make widespread use of drones in its 1982 invasion of Lebanon, according to Mark Daly, an expert on unmanned aircraft at Jane's defense publications in London.

    Israeli companies are considered world leaders in drone technology and now export unmanned aircraft to a number of armies, including U.S.-led forces that have used them in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Heron TP has been in development for about a decade, but the aircraft first saw action during Israel's offensive against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip just over a year ago.

    Drones were seen as crucial to the Gaza onslaught by giving soldiers eyes in the air, keeping watch over rooftops and alleyways in congested urban areas - notifying troops of threats or obstacles in their path.

    Palestinian witnesses have long claimed that Israeli drones fire missiles in Gaza, both before and during the Israeli offensive. Israel has never confirmed that its unmanned aircraft are capable of firing missiles.

    The military says the huge new drone will give an added element to Israel's ability to control its borders.
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    i did't agree with you every country have many problems
    but all the world watching iran as terror cuntry wy , only for one reason because Iran see Israil a terror cuntry and this is a true ,
    Israil is terror cuntry they kill may innocent people but many country such USA UK they did't
    confess with this
    do you now why ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnoldd View Post
    i did't agree with you every country have many problems
    but all the world watching iran as terror cuntry wy , only for one reason because Iran see Israil a terror cuntry and this is a true ,
    Israil is terror cuntry they kill may innocent people but many country such USA UK they did't
    confess with this
    do you now why ?????
    I have an idea where you're heading with this, but you better improve your English real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnoldd View Post
    i did't agree with you every country have many problems
    but all the world watching iran as terror cuntry wy , only for one reason because Iran see Israil a terror cuntry and this is a true ,
    Israil is terror cuntry they kill may innocent people but many country such USA UK they did't
    confess with this
    do you now why ?????
    Looks like the magic nasty word finding software isn't quite as effective on the new server. At least it makes the post funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    Looks like the magic nasty word finding software isn't quite as effective on the new server. At least it makes the post funny.
    Perhaps this should have been posted in the Jokes thread/)

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnoldd View Post
    i did't agree with you every country have many problems
    but all the world watching iran as terror cuntry wy , only for one reason because Iran see Israil a terror cuntry and this is a true ,
    Israil is terror cuntry they kill may innocent people but many country such USA UK they did't
    confess with this
    do you now why ?????
    Hmmm. Well, for your edification may I humbly point out that the word, as you term it, cuntry, is actually spelt country?
    Secondly, if Israel is a terrorist country then so is damn near every other country in the world including the one you 'have' to live in.
    So, your point becomes meaningless, yes?

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    Well well , China,s finally on board



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    Six world powers, including China, agreed on Wednesday to start drawing up new sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme in the next few days, a source with knowledge of the talks said .

    The source said representatives of Britain, the United States, France, Russia and Germany had reached agreement with Beijing during a conference call.

    "It has been agreed with China to start drawing up sanctions on Iran," the source said. "Drawing up of a Security Council resolution is to begin in the next few days."

    Diplomats say China has been slowly and reluctantly falling in line with the other powers involved in the negotiations on Iran by backing the idea of new U.N. sanctions against Tehran but Beijing wants any new steps to be weak.

    They say the four Western powers would like a resolution to be adopted next month, before a month-long U.N. conference on the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in May, but acknowledge that negotiations will probably drag on at least until June.

    World leaders accuse Iran of developing a nuclear arsenal but Tehran says its nuclear programme is intended only to generate electricity.

    "This is a big victory for the United States and the Europeans," said the source. "China has taken great strides."

    The source gave no other details






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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Well well , China,s finally on board
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    Six world powers, including China, agreed on Wednesday to start drawing up new sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme in the next few days, a source with knowledge of the talks said .

    The source said representatives of Britain, the United States, France, Russia and Germany had reached agreement with Beijing during a conference call.

    "It has been agreed with China to start drawing up sanctions on Iran," the source said. "Drawing up of a Security Council resolution is to begin in the next few days."

    Diplomats say China has been slowly and reluctantly falling in line with the other powers involved in the negotiations on Iran by backing the idea of new U.N. sanctions against Tehran but Beijing wants any new steps to be weak.

    They say the four Western powers would like a resolution to be adopted next month, before a month-long U.N. conference on the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in May, but acknowledge that negotiations will probably drag on at least until June.

    World leaders accuse Iran of developing a nuclear arsenal but Tehran says its nuclear programme is intended only to generate electricity.

    "This is a big victory for the United States and the Europeans," said the source. "China has taken great strides."

    The source gave no other details
    The bold part is key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    The bold part is key.
    *Keep in mind China didnt do much over North Korea obtaining a weapon either. So why worry about what they want. China is only concerned about their oil flow coming from Iran means nothing more. They could care less about a nuclear armed Iran so why should we even include them at all. Foot draggers and profiters is all they are when it comes to Iran. If Iran gets a weapon then we should by means over run North Korea and flood China with refugees. One way or another.
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    "China is only concerned about their oil flow coming from Iran means nothing more. They could care less about a nuclear armed Iran so why should we even include them at all."

    We see a need to follow this diplomacy/sanctions track. That requires multi-lateral engagement to accomplish such.

    What we can't do unilaterally-

    We can't enforce sanctions unilaterally. One nation breaking such will lead to other leakers with respect to a nation sharing long borders with dubious countries willing to do things for a "nod and a wink".

    What we CAN do unilaterally-

    Attack Iran and end this B.S. Do so overwhelmingly and remove all doubt for the next twenty years. Advise Iran that withdrawal from the NPT and a decision to pursue such will contravene our nat'l interest-nevermind those of the G.C.C. or anybody else-and we'll not have it even should it mean that we'll periodically beat their skulls until good sense permanently prevails...

    ...because we don't like their government one bit.
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    The sabre rattling continues to flow from Iran and prudently Israel takes notice but will the U.S take much notice.

    How much will the U.S tolerate before Obama decides Iran's learning curve needs to become steep?

    Bold by myself.

    Tehran: If Iran is attacked, nuclear devices will go off in American cities DEBKAfile Special Report April 13, 2010, 6:53 PM (GMT+02:00)Tags: Barack Obama Iran nuclear

    Iran threatens US with nuclear terrorThis warning, along with an announcement that Iran would join the world's nuclear club within a month, raised the pitch of Iranian anti-US rhetoric to a new high Tuesday, April 13, as 47 world leaders gathered in Washington for President Barack Obama's Nuclear Security Summit. The statement published by Kayhan said: "If the US strikes Iran with nuclear weapons, there are elements which will respond with nuclear blasts in the centers of America's main cities." For the first time, debkafile's military sources report, Tehran indicated the possibility of passing nuclear devices to terrorists capable of striking inside the United States.
    Without specifying whether those elements would be Iranian or others, Tehran aimed at the heart of the Nuclear Security Summit by threatening US cities with nuclear terror.
    debkafile's Iranians sources report that Tehran is playing brinkmanship to demonstrate that the Washington summit, from which Iran and North Korea were excluded, failed before it began, because terrorist elements capable of striking inside the US had already acquired nuclear devices for that purpose.
    Although Iran has yet to attain operational nuclear arms, our military sources believe it does possess the makings of primitive nuclear devices or "dirty bombs."

    In an interview ahead of the summit, President Obama warned: "If there was ever a detonation in New York City, or London, or Johannesburg, the ramifications... would be devastating."
    In another shot at the summit, Behzad Soltani, deputy director of Iran's Atomic Commission, announced Tuesday: "Iran will join the world nuclear club within a month in a bid to deter possible attacks on the country." He added: "No country would even think about attacking Iran once it is in the club."

    The Iranian official's boast was run by the Fars news agency, published by Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps.

    Behzadi further pointed to the construction of 360 MW nuclear power plant and a 40 MW research reactor in Iran's central city of Arak, claiming the projects were 70 percent complete.
    This plant is generally believed to have been built to enable Iran to produce weapons-grade plutonium as an alternative weapons fuel to highly-enriched uranium and material for radioactive weapons.
    Sunday, April 11, debkafile reported that Iran is making much better progress than Western and Israeli intelligence estimates have held toward completing the Arak heavy water reactor.
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    Along with the strides made in its nuclear manufacturing capacity, Tehran's anti-US rhetoric has grown more strident in the past week. Thursday, April 8, Iran's Armed Forces Chief of Staff Maj.Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi said if the United States made any military moves on the Islamic Republic "none of the American troops in the region would go back home alive."debkafile's military sources report the presence of app. 220,000 US soldiers in the countries around Iran, including Gulf bases and waters, Iraq and Afghanistan. The Iranian general was reacting to US defense secretary Robert Gates' warning that Washington's policy decision to limit the use of nuclear arms if attacked did not apply to Iran and North Korea.
    Source; DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security

    Threats to detonate nuclear devices in American cities without the usual delivery vehicle tend to make Firouzabadi sound like a complete clown unless he is sure the U.S border controls are hopeless and can truck or sea freight them in.

    It would take a special type of clown to try a stunt like that knowing full well the retaliation would kiss his backside goodbye.
    Has Iran got a surplus of clowns, I wonder?
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