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Reply With QuoteAll of them, no, most of them.... probably.Originally Posted by gabriel
Most definitly I would say,
It is always "Musavi atleast this .. and that ..." that I hear
If we contrast the rapid progress of this mischievous discovery of gunpowder with the slow and laborious advances of reason, science, and the arts of peace, a philosopher, according to his temper, will laugh or weep at the folly of mankind. - Edward Gibbon
All of them, no, most of them.... probably.
These protests in Iran are spreading and getting violent.
Gunfire as Iran gripped by greatest protest since Islamic revolution
Hundreds of thousands of protesters poured on to the streets of Tehran on Monday in the greatest display of popular feeling since the Islamic revolution in 1979.
16 June [Telegraph] To cries of "death to the dictator", Iranians protested against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's proclaimed re-election, in a demonstration that passed largely unopposed by the authorities.
The rally, larger than anything seen in the capital since the demonstrations that toppled Shah Reza Pahlavi 30 years ago, openly defied the authorities. The interior ministry banned the rally and warned protesters that live ammunition could be used against them.
At the end of the demonstration gunfire broke out during at least one clash between protesters and a pro-government militia. One protester was killed and several were injured. ....
Even the Supreme Leader cannot dismiss the ground swell against the announced poll results.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei surprises many with fraud inquiry into poll
16 June [Times] News that the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has instructed the Guardian Council — the legal body which is required by the Constitution to ratify the election result — to investigate charges of fraud has come as a surprise to many who took for granted the rhetoric of absolute power that emanates from the Leader’s office.
Few believed that the Supreme Leader, who had somewhat prematurely congratulated the President-elect on Saturday (the Constitution requires a three-day waiting period so that any complaints can be lodged) would shift his position so quickly.
Yet it is testament to the tremendous pressures on the political system that have resulted from the outpouring of anger across the country, and the widespread belief that the political order is experiencing a serious crisis of authority. ....
As Ayatollah Khamenei moved swiftly to confirm the vote in enthusiastic terms, President-elect Ahmadinejad dismissed the protests as nothing more than the discontent one might expect from disappointed football fans.
Such condescension only fuelled the anger that had erupted on Saturday. Indeed, it would appear that Mr Ahmadinejad’s comment that there had been no formal complaints about the election was pivotal in raising the stakes in the cycle of demonstrations which were gripping the country.
This dismissive gesture prompted one of the three defeated candidates, the influential former commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Mohsen Rezai, to publish a formal letter of complaint. What was important about this intervention was not only Mr Rezai’s conservative political leanings but that he made it quite clear that he felt he was several million votes short. In other words, his was not a procedural complaint but a substantive one. .....
The police have failed to contain the riots, even the Hezbollah fighters employed by the regime (so many reports of Arabic speakers it is beginning to seem cedible) that the Basiji has been called in and the gloves are off, no more bars, bats and batons now its time for parabellum.
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Who is burning the entire city?
Over a million people were in the streets today, only one gun shot from a questionable "Plain clothe" individual which killed 1 person. No torching or blowing buildings up.
I didn't mean to question your claim, I really needed those pix to prove a point in another Dis. board. Thanx for posting.
Oscar,
I assure you more than 70% of those demonstrators don't give a hoot about Mousavi. Him and other moderate political figures are being used as pretext for a bigger picture. They are after the core of the whole oppressive theocratic regime.
I never thought that was a good idea either and I didn't participate in the action, Just wanted to post what is happening.
But I'll convey the valid concern to the others.
Well said!!
That is the whole purpose behind all these uprising, Corner the regime and force it to make mistake and get screwed.
Khamenei taking his "divine decree" back and allow an investigation is HUGE. He is not perceived a legitimate man of god anymore, he is a crook who will kneel under will of people.
This was what exactly he said in his speech after endorsing the election finally, "The outcome of this election is another will of allah which we have witnessed time and time gain in past 30 years". Now the will of allah is being investigated.:D:D
He might still keep his initial statement. If he was trying to buy time, that is.
The BBC is now reporting that the Guardian Council has agreed to a recount. Is this just a tactic to buy time? And why, oh why has A-jad left the country at such a time?
"They want to test our feelings.They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and their newspapers."
Protester
Now, I don't know if that is fair.
Regardless, even if you think the Israelis are evil, at least concede them they are not so stupid.
I think what we are witnessing could easily bring down the regime. If that happens, and from the Israelis perspective, it would therefore likely deactivate this completely artificial state of confrontation between the two countries.
In my opinion the Israelis would be craving with all their hearts that a free, democratic and pluralistic Iran comes out of this.
And so do ILink: Report: Ex-Mossad chief says strike on Iran could 'affect us for 100 years' - Haaretz - Israel NewsReport: Ex-Mossad chief says strike on Iran could 'affect us for 100 years'
By Haaretz Service
Tags: Iran, nuclear, U.S., Mossad
Former Mossad Chief Ephraim Halevy told Time magazine in an interview published Thursday that an Israeli attack on Iran "could have an impact on us for the next 100 years" and should only be considered as a last resort.
I think your observation is probably the wished for option.
I don't think so many people would be willing to demonise Iran, if they knew the level of, and active dissent against the current govt.
If anything such an incredibly lopsided result MUST be rigged. Which has repercussions. It must have factored into the Ayatollah's reassessment.
I think he is a Hawk, but a similar happening occurred during the revolution - where popular action carried the day seperately from belief the Ayatollah believed. I.E he wasn't initially supportive of the revolution but then changed his mind given what had unfolded. In short, I believe he wants to control the future, just so long as he is in control of the future whatever course that takes.
The Gaurd is a law until itself however and has blood on it's hands.
I understand he has gone to Moscow, being invited to attend the SCO summit there.
Oh, he has cancelled this visit.
Iranian president puts off Russia trip
23 hrs ago MOSCOW (AP) — The Iranian Embassy in Moscow says President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has put off a visit to Russia, and it is unclear whether he will come at all. ....
Ahmadinejad hails election as protests grow - CNN.com
2009 Iranian election protests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediapeople breaking into shops, starting fires and tearing down signs. Two sides of people faced off against each other in the square, throwing rocks and bottles and shouting angrily.
And in case if you still don't see it, there is a nice big pictures in this thread above from Boston.com filled with smoke and fire.Large protests which escalated into riots had also broken out at Tehran University, Amirkabir University, and Shahid Beheshti University where students started burning and destroying various buildings and items around the campuses.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like i support any of the sides, but saying what police had no reason to interfere is a biased view at least.
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