Thread: Iran Election June 09

Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub

I just hope the Israelis dont bomb now. An outside threat to rally people around the flag is the hard-liners dream right now. I would think this might be a tenser time on the gulf for our navy. I understand it's pretty bad now with radar games but, they might be tempted to create a real incident to rally the people

Actually, that is best time for Israelis.

They always see things in short term, not long term. So they dont really give a **** if say Iran will go through revolution that will benefit them (Israeli) in the long term and maybe establish democracy in that nation.

Their typical knee-jerk reaction would be drop bombs and worry later. I suspect it would be the U.S. that would be holding them back.

I heard reports that some of these riot police that were taken by the People, are actually Arabs and dont even speak Persian. Some of them even come from as far as Venezula.

Who knows, maybe, Chavez has Iranians in his riot police.

Its like the Romans who used captured Germans to fight against Persians, and captured Easterners to fight against the Germans.

Originally Posted by Traxus

See a few posts above, the Ayyatollah has reversed his decree that it was fair.

If you think for a moment that he will let any true reformer into office you are kidding yourself. The greatest lesson the Iranian people can learn from this is the seperation of church and state. Not the "theocracy" running the country because they will never let their grip slip on the people. The silver lining to all of this is now the "theocracy" have pretty much lost public support and the people will view countries that support this in the very same light. Dictators.

Iran's Interior Ministry announced Saturday that incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won 63.29% of the vote in the country's presidential election — a landslide. But Iran's opposition leader Mir-Hossein Mousavi says he won and that the result had been rigged; Mousavi supporters have taken to the streets in Tehran and other cities to protest the official outcome.

Ahmadinejad, for his part, insists that he won fairly, while Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatullah Ali Khamenei, initially congratulated Iranians for proving their "great worth." The result, Khamenei said, was a "divine assessment." On Monday, though, Khamenei ordered the powerful Guardian Council to investigate the fraud allegations.

So far, Washington has taken a cautious approach to commenting on the election, though a senior U.S. official called the results "not credible" and Vice President Joe Biden told Meet the Press that "there's some real doubt" whether Ahmadinejad actually won. "There's an awful lot of questions about how this election was run," he said. Here are five key questions being raised about the legitimacy of the results.


*IMO, Its safe to say that the likliness of A-Jad winning fairly is not even worth an answer. His opponent garners the womens votes and the younger 20+ Iranian youth votes but yet he only produces 33% and Ajad produces 63% while running his country into poverty, unemployment sky rocketing, calling for war?

The result, Khamenei said, was a "divine assessment" ?

Heres my "divine assesment" they wouldnt know fair elections if they were beaten to death with them. Hows about we just ask all of the good Iranians to leave the country for a few weeks while we nuke these dumb asses, their firery rhetoric, voter fraud and twisted ruling theocracy back to the ****ing stone age. Let the place cool off and have the real Iranians return and conduct independently monitored transparent elections because it is quite obvious they will never get them any way else outside of a coup or civil war again the gaurds and theocracy. The U.N. should refuse to recognize Iran until independant transparent elections take place.

Originally Posted by xerxes

Actually, that is best time for Israelis.

They always see things in short term, not long term. So they dont really give a **** if say Iran will go through revolution that will benefit them (Israeli) in the long term and maybe establish democracy in that nation.

Their typical knee-jerk reaction would be drop bombs and worry later. I suspect it would be the U.S. that would be holding them back.

Now, I don't know if that is fair.

Regardless, even if you think the Israelis are evil, at least concede them they are not so stupid.

I think what we are witnessing could easily bring down the regime. If that happens, and from the Israelis perspective, it would therefore likely deactivate this completely artificial state of confrontation between the two countries.

In my opinion the Israelis would be craving with all their hearts that a free, democratic and pluralistic Iran comes out of this.

And so do I

Originally Posted by Castellano

Now, I don't know if that is fair.

Regardless, even if you think the Israelis are evil, at least concede them they are not so stupid.

I think what we are witnessing could easily bring down the regime. If that happens, and from the Israelis perspective, it would therefore likely deactivate this completely artificial state of confrontation between the two countries.

In my opinion the Israelis would be craving with all their hearts that a free, democratic and pluralistic Iran comes out of this.

And so do I

I think thats what we all want. But to get it A-jad , his minions and his master have to go. There is no other way.

Originally Posted by xerxes

It was rigged BIG time ///

It is like Jimmy Carter scoring 75% popular vote against Reagan, in the political atmoshpere of early 80s.

Come one Obama, show some support ...

I was just about to ask how Obama should react to this situation. He has always stated that we should engage in talks with our opponents/adversaries. The conservatives have always ridiculed that policy as legitimizing tyrants. My question is who he should talk to now? If Obama talks with Mahmoud, doesn't that legitimizes the election result? If he talks with the opposition, doesn't that mean he's NOT talking to our opponent?