Iran 'blames monarchists for mosque blast' - Page 2

dark-alias · 05-09-2008, 14:56 PM

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Iran negotiating with "terrorists" to attack the coalition?

Bear, tell me it cannot be true

Of course they are, anything to keep the region in a state of un-rest until (haha i like this) "The Great Satan" and its citizens are fed up with this whole situation and a far left president gets elected and falls for it all and pulls out pre-maturely.

Kansas Bear · 05-09-2008, 14:59 PM

Lies from an Iranian paper??

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According to a report in the Sunday Telegraph, published in October, the Kurdish guerrillas, and their sister group, PJAK, are also being funded by the U.S. to wage a clandestine war in northwestern Iran.

tehran times : Is a new war in Iraq looming on the horizon?

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Kurdish guerillas launch clandestine war in Iran
By Damien McElroy in the Qandil mountains
Last Updated: 1:47AM BST 10/09/2007
Kurdish guerrillas have launched a clandestine war in north-western Iran, ambushing troops as they seek Western backing to secure an ethnic homeland.

Kurdish fighters in training. Iran claims that the US is secretly supporting Kurdish attacks upon its infrastructure and troops
In retaliation, the Iranian army has carried out a series of counter-attacks in the mountains, which span the border with Iraq.

Murat Karayilan, a Kurdish guerilla commander, told The Daily Telegraph that Teheran had originally tried to recruit the outlawed groups to fight coalition troops in Iraq.

"The US and Britain came to Iraq to establish a democratic system, but this scared the Iranians, so they negotiated with us and offered many things to attack the coalition," he said under a canopy of trees near his headquarters on Iraqi territory in the Qandil mountains.

Kurdish guerillas launch clandestine war in Iran - Telegraph

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dark-alias · 05-09-2008, 15:32 PM

This is just a blunt, basic opinion. IMO If an organization right across from my border was conducting offensive activities across my border and then back into a safe haven....Hmmmm i would follow them back to their security blanket and wipe them out.

Wouldnt it be ironic if Turkey used the Longbows we gave them to take out a "terrorist" organization in U.S. patrolled territory in the middle east....think about it

S-2 · 05-09-2008, 15:57 PM

"Wouldnt it be ironic if Turkey used the Longbows we gave them to take out a "terrorist" organization in U.S. patrolled territory in the middle east....think about it"

I'm sure it's very much in play. That was made clear last December and, again, in early February. The U.S. Army is not going to stand in the way of Turkish combat operations against PKK bases inside Iraq- within reason.

The issue is, of course, tempestuous, but the Iraqi Gov't, the Kurdish Regional Government and the U.S. government are all on board with this consideration on a limited basis. "limited" meaning both geographically and duration. To date, both Turkish ops were confined to discrete, largely uninhabited areas of known PKK sanctuary and limited to about 10 days-two weeks in length.

My guess is that there are well-defined protocols established at this point, largely as a function of the liaison cells established last winter. Ucar would know more clearly but I'd bet these incursions are nearly "scheduled" to some extent at this point.

dark-alias · 05-10-2008, 00:34 AM

It is a mess when you have two different parties so outraged and you have to mediate while trying not to be a hypocrite.

**Parihaka** · 05-10-2008, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by S-2

"Wouldnt it be ironic if Turkey used the Longbows we gave them to take out a "terrorist" organization in U.S. patrolled territory in the middle east....think about it"

I'm sure it's very much in play. That was made clear last December and, again, in early February. The U.S. Army is not going to stand in the way of Turkish combat operations against PKK bases inside Iraq- within reason.

The issue is, of course, tempestuous, but the Iraqi Gov't, the Kurdish Regional Government and the U.S. government are all on board with this consideration on a limited basis. "limited" meaning both geographically and duration. To date, both Turkish ops were confined to discrete, largely uninhabited areas of known PKK sanctuary and limited to about 10 days-two weeks in length.

My guess is that there are well-defined protocols established at this point, largely as a function of the liaison cells established last winter. Ucar would know more clearly but I'd bet these incursions are nearly "scheduled" to some extent at this point.

It makes sense. The Kurds need to know they have control of and are responsible for a small semi-autonomous region, and the exact boundaries of that region are VERY defined.

dark-alias · 05-10-2008, 13:42 PM

The entire region has been in flames since before the was ever a "new world" and when we show up its only putting gasoline onto the fire.

Is there any real answer to this ? of stability in the middle east or does it already have its final outcome pre-planned just with no ones knowledge. This might be one of those things that no matter how much one interfers, mediates, bombs, trys to change with all their might, it just might have to runs its course and may never end until its the end itself

S-2 · 05-10-2008, 14:55 PM

Let's not get apocalyptic. Still, if you're correct that it's all pre-ordained, we lose nothing by trying to reverse the inevitable catastrophe. We might surprise ourselves with success and shall at least be occupied with temporal matters while the immutable will of destiny slowly asserts it's pre-determined purpose.

"When you ain't got nothin', you've got nothin' to lose..." Bob Dylan

dark-alias · 05-10-2008, 14:58 PM

S-2,

onlt time will tell, i hope it tells a story of victory!

05-09-2008, 15:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
S-2 *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-11-06 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,107 Country:	dark-alias Reply "Wouldnt it be ironic if Turkey used the Longbows we gave them to take out a "terrorist" organization in U.S. patrolled territory in the middle east....think about it" I'm sure it's very much in play. That was made clear last December and, again, in early February. The U.S. Army is not going to stand in the way of Turkish combat operations against PKK bases inside Iraq- within reason. The issue is, of course, tempestuous, but the Iraqi Gov't, the Kurdish Regional Government and the U.S. government are all on board with this consideration on a limited basis. "limited" meaning both geographically and duration. To date, both Turkish ops were confined to discrete, largely uninhabited areas of known PKK sanctuary and limited to about 10 days-two weeks in length. My guess is that there are well-defined protocols established at this point, largely as a function of the liaison cells established last winter. Ucar would know more clearly but I'd bet these incursions are nearly "scheduled" to some extent at this point. __________________ "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski

05-10-2008, 14:55 PM	#23 (permalink)
S-2 *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-11-06 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,107 Country:	dark-alias Reply Let's not get apocalyptic. Still, if you're correct that it's all pre-ordained, we lose nothing by trying to reverse the inevitable catastrophe. We might surprise ourselves with success and shall at least be occupied with temporal matters while the immutable will of destiny slowly asserts it's pre-determined purpose. "When you ain't got nothin', you've got nothin' to lose..." Bob Dylan

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05-09-2008, 15:32 PM	#18 (permalink)
dark-alias *Military Professional* Join Date: 03-28-08 Location: California Posts: 219 Country:	This is just a blunt, basic opinion. IMO If an organization right across from my border was conducting offensive activities across my border and then back into a safe haven....Hmmmm i would follow them back to their security blanket and wipe them out. Wouldnt it be ironic if Turkey used the Longbows we gave them to take out a "terrorist" organization in U.S. patrolled territory in the middle east....think about it

05-10-2008, 00:34 AM	#20 (permalink)
dark-alias *Military Professional* Join Date: 03-28-08 Location: California Posts: 219 Country:	It is a mess when you have two different parties so outraged and you have to mediate while trying not to be a hypocrite.

05-10-2008, 13:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
dark-alias *Military Professional* Join Date: 03-28-08 Location: California Posts: 219 Country:	The entire region has been in flames since before the was ever a "new world" and when we show up its only putting gasoline onto the fire. Is there any real answer to this ? of stability in the middle east or does it already have its final outcome pre-planned just with no ones knowledge. This might be one of those things that no matter how much one interfers, mediates, bombs, trys to change with all their might, it just might have to runs its course and may never end until its the end itself

05-10-2008, 14:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
dark-alias *Military Professional* Join Date: 03-28-08 Location: California Posts: 219 Country:	S-2, onlt time will tell, i hope it tells a story of victory!

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