nickshepAK

Interesting Article on how Iran plans to defend itself if invaded.

"The United States and Israel may be contemplating military operations against Iran, as per recent media reports, yet Iran is not wasting any time in preparing its own counter-operations in the event an attack materializes.

A week-long combined air and ground maneuver has just concluded in five of the southern and western provinces of Iran, mesmerizing foreign observers, who have described as "spectacular" the
massive display of high-tech, mobile operations, including rapid-deployment forces relying on squadrons of helicopters, air lifts, missiles, as well as hundreds of tanks and tens of thousands of well-coordinated personnel using live munition. Simultaneously, some 25,000 volunteers have so far signed up at newly established draft centers for "suicide attacks" against any potential intruders in what is commonly termed "asymmetrical warfare".

Link for rest of article: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FL16Ak01.html

Praxus

The only action we have the balls to take is to take out their reactor, and against this the Iranians are completly impotent.

lulldapull

That will have very serious consequences and very very destabilising implications for the now beleagured and totally demoralised U.S. forces now confronting a full scale guerilla insurgency in Iraq!!

besides if that was the solution or even an option, it would have been long exercised by now!

U.S. leadership is not totally dumb ...as commonly percieved!

Ray

I wonder if miitary option would be workable since it will be another long drawn out war.

I did read in our papers that Israel and US are planning a contingency plan.

I reckon it would be better to sabotage the programme by buying up some of the key Iranian scientists and missile engineers.

It will be worth the money.

smilingassassin

Bwaaahahaha, excuse me while I fall down laughing at this responce Lull....

This is basically your explanation as per your "the U.S. is an evil war monger" with no intention on taking the peacefull route towards the Iranian problem.

In reality all thats needed is a complete breakdown in talks and a wrong move on the Iranians part and its bye bye reactor, but of course the U.S. has no intent on resolving this through diplomacy so it must mean they are demoralized!!!

Ha ha, thats a good one......

smilingassassin

Thats not exactly what the U.S. wants right now, and even if it did its not like Iran will emerge unscathed. Nothing would be solved for Iran if war did break out. When the Americans do eventually free up troops they would be ready for round two if the first one turns out as a stalemate. In effect they would be back to square one while the U.S. achieves its main goal of removing the reactor.

Togeather or seperately? Most certainly the U.S. already has a basic contingency plan laid out, they would just need to update it for the specifics at the time they choose to carry out the plan.

Most certainly, and less costly in American and Iranian blood too.

lemontree

Why should we predict the Iraq like imbroglio in Iran, that is if matters come down to war.
The US need not keep its forces for too long in Iran. The objective would be to destroy their war machine thats all.
If there is no occupation, there will be no insurgency.
BTW, all demos look impressive, the chaos starts when the opposition starts shooting back.

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smilingassassin

Exactly, worst case scenario the U.S. gets mauled and still destroys the Iranian army and its reactor then goes home.

lulldapull

that is ludicrous to believe! Destroying Bushehr would not stop the Iranian nuclear program!

The iranians are not totally stupid like that dumb ass A-raanb Saddam, who put all his eggs at Osirak! Like a dumnb ass!

Like already mentioned in many intelligence leaks that the mulla's have parallel programs running underground and side by side with those "above" ground.

Destroying the heavy water facility at Natanz or this Bushehr reactor will bring retaliation, and will not affect their quest for nukes.

Besides smilling kiddo, let these Neocon terrorists figure a way out of the Iraqi morass! Once they 'wiggle' free of the leechey A-raanbs or them Afghans, then the U.S. can think about another misadventure in Iran.

Until then the shia mulla's will do all they can to further bog down U.S. forces in Iraq! After all so far all those countries that attacked Iran back in 1980 or were complicit in that conspiracy to topple the mullas are paying the price! Iran is watching and enjoying the show! And dubbya's hollow threats don't amount to jack! He better take action to back up those threats!

smilingassassin

We shall eventually see won't we Lull?, the Americans are not impotent and you stating that as such shows you are just blowing smoke. Are the Iranians as stupid as Saddam? not likely but at the very minimum the U.S. can set back Irans nuclear program with some well placed Tomahawks.

In 1 years time the Iranians will not have a tied down U.S. army to discount as a threat....

lulldapull

Well what happens in 1 yar time frame is speculation! But judging from the momentum and direction of events in Iraq, it sure looks ominous for the U.S. military or the 2 cent lackey Illawi or his goons!

If Tomahawks are launched then iran will launch Sunburns at USN vessels! Also the considerable arsenal of ScudB/C's ( some 500 or so) will start raining down in Iraq/ Saudi Arabia or Bahrain! Plus if Israel does something then Israel will get bombarded with ShahabIII's!

And the biggest asset the iranians have is the well estabilished contacts with Sistani and his goons! Sistani btw is an iranian cleric. The shia in Iraq will most certainly revolt if Iran is attacked. They are already on the verge of. A shia revolt in Iraq is what will most certainly break the camels back.

Besides whether the U.S. invades Iran or not, if Iran is attacked then the U.S. position in iraq will become untenable. if it goes into Iran ( which is the only sure way to disarm Iran permanently) then as predicted the U.S. will win the invasion battle but will get its ass kicked in the subsequent guerilla war! Trust me. A country 4 times the size of Iraq will be a logistical nightmare! They will need a million troops at the least!

And a quick reality check wil reveal that the insurgency has worsened 10 fold since last year! Attacking Iran is a fantasy of the Neocons! I predict that Neocons will be thrown out of office for the Iraq and eventulally Afghanistan policy fiasco's and debacles. Already Dumsfeld 's time has come! He'll be fired early next year. just heard on the radio that Lot/ McCain/ Norman and many other republicans and military ppl are planning an inside coup!

I believe he'll be eased out of office on some bogus pretext. and things made to appear reeeal smooth!

Confed999

I'm not worried. A few weeks of air bombardment for any retaliation, and they'll beg for peace, just like Saddam did. Keeping Iran from any nuclear capacity is quite important.

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Confed999

Hmmmm, what ones are those? I don't see that from any reporters in the field, or hear that from anyone comming back, but I don't pay attention to the extremist stories either...

nickshepAK

Im kinda naive when it comes to the wide variety missels in a military's arsenal. These sunburn missels are anti-ship missles, correct? Are they capable of sinking U.S. ships or is it more like throwing a pebel at a car?

lulldapull

Yes they are capable of sinking U.S. warships! or attacking surface targets in Bahrain, Qatar or Saudi Arabia/ Kuwait etc. With a Mach 2.35 top speed, Mach-3 for newer uprated variants at 15 metres above surface, the Sunburns are going to be very difficult to stop.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...sia/moskit.htm


Also besides the Sunburns and other Raduga products in Iranian inventory, there are hundreds of C-801/ 803 and updated Hy-2/ N-2A ( Styx) also in service. All have dual use anti-surface capability!

Iran also relies on hundreds of small fast attack craft with RCL's/ RPG's/ grenade launchers and anti tank missiles!

INMO iran would try to sink a couple of super tankers at the mouth of the Gulf at Hormuz, mine the [EDIT] out of it, trap the USN in the Gulf, and then launch a saturation attack with Sunburns and C-803's, Both from Fast attack craft and shore based batteries! Even the F-4E's now carry the C-803, with the guidance provided by a shore based installation.