timhaughton

Again, we're back to the hypocrisy. The US breaks international law, but reserves the right to punish others for allegedly doing the same.

As I've illustrated earlier, a couple of clear examples:

- Iraq - war of aggression, categorically illegal
- Nicaragua - See ICJ judgement

Just two examples, I could go on.

Kansas Bear

Are you saying the CIA funded Al-Qaeda, which didn't exist until 1990??


The only thing mentioned in that article is this:

No proof, no evidence, just someone writing two lines of rubbish.

Bin Laden had his own money and used it. He worked for Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, whom he later had killed.

Officer of Engineers

KB already listed the idiot statement but Bin Laden's Arab legion was sent in by Zia - not the CIA. You do know who Zia is, don't you?

You know, even a simple google would have given you the history of the organization and it has nothing to do with the CIA.

Al Qaeda - Google Search

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Officer of Engineers

I will deal with your allegation a little later. However,

China-Vietnam, Russia-Chechnya, Ethiopia-Eritrea, China-India, Vietnam-Cambodia, Rwanda, ... the list can goto the moon about countries breaking international law ... and no one gives a damn about it.

No, it is not. No charges are made. No charges will be made.


And here are the legal arguements against that judgement

U.S. Withdrawal from Nicaragua v. US - It's quite compelling that Nicaragua herself refused to accept ICJ judgements that were ruled against her but accepts ones that goes her way. So, the arguement that the ICJ has no jurisdiction has not been satisfied.

xerxes

There isnt much hypocracy messa thinks!!! All nations do break international laws, however the more powerfull the nation is, the higher is its intrest, its stake and responsibility. Therefore, small less powerfull nations probably break international laws as often if not more than united states, if we have the equations normalized by applying proportionality of a nation's wealth and power. As far as "reserving the right to punish others for allegedly doing the same". Other smaller nations with opposite polarity to that of United States, do equally reserve the right to punish others, smaller then them. SO again no hypocracy there. But there is much hypocracy in how average people think both in the United States, West and elsewhere in the world, such as the Middle East. I see it everyday.

The perception that US government is one singular Blackish entity is far from truth. If anything it is the greatest and the most humble imperial power in the annals of history. Certainly, I would rather live under the banner of Stars and Stripes, rather then Islamic cresent, be it Shia or Sunni, or the Reds or the Fascists. But all in all, I prefer nations like Canada and Japan. Less stupidity there. But ofcourse the fact remains that the US government today is as corrupt or has the potential to be as corrupt as any other nation on this heavenly earth.

These points asides, you must be reminded that you are in a forum where people are largely right wing conservatives. Atleast those who post often are. Therefore, you must ready to weather the storm of critisim that is unleash upon you. If you use spin, they will use spin. If you use technicalities, they will use technicalities. But in my opinion as long as you are centered and do not stray to much into leftism, you will do just fine here.

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HistoricalDavid

Right, because you yourself showed us the correct way to go (!)

Parihaka

No, lets not. Lets stick with your original assertions rather than this strawman, that assertion being the US is guilty of international terrorism. CLAIMING that acts of aggression is terrorism is just a personal opinion on your part, not international jurisprudence so at the moment your batting nil.
What else ya got?

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Parihaka

I was in love with my own opinion, except of course it wasn't my own opinion, merely the standard fashions of my peers.
This board teaches you, or at least taught me to think, very few people however want to do that.

Parihaka

Again, wheres the international law? Wheres your respect for human life? You haven't demonstrated either here.

Parihaka

Ho hum, unable to post a single fact other than how little you actually know vs what you believe, you now tell us how closed minded we all are for not falling over backwards in astonishment at how intelligent your opinions are.

Parihaka

Exactly. Post from certain knowledge, not from opinion, and expect robust debate. Decrying the site because it disagrees with you and running away crying isn't the way to go.

Parihaka

Part of Bluesmans job as barman is to test the temper of new posters, especially the strongly opinionated ones. He kindly provides this service to us moderators for free.

Parihaka

No indeed, I too have done it...



And that's far too many posts in a row by me.

Kansas Bear

It's a conspiracy!! They(mods/admins) are secretly bribing Bluesman with Butter Cookies!!!

xerxes

The board, certainly does teaches a lot:

not only via technical historical points provided by people like yourself, Shek, OOE, Ray, Archer, KB, mr Lukins, Zraver and others and Dalem (for the LOTR lore among other things), but it also certainly teaches to keep one's leftism (in my case) in check by applying rightism in order to keep centered. But how do we keep ultra rightism in ourself (not in my case) in check???

I am really sad to say that certain ultra right wing opinion here or in America for that matter are very VERY much intune with the ideas of conservative Pasdaran in my own nation. Or in Quebec for that matter with the French and their hardline ideas. The samethings are being said by each sides, but with different words.

have a nice weekend