Feanor

But, but, but, . . . . . . aww. No giant vodka bottle?

smilingassassin

*Hick* Ok hear ya goooo. *Hic*

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Feanor

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What I meant was that a giant vodka flew into the twin towers. It was disguised as a cruise missile so that people would come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories and never get to the truth. Come on. Listen to me. We have to impeach the U.S. government for wasting that much vodka.

Zinja

One of Iran's defence against alleged plans of making a bomb is that the Quran does not allow it, can anyone knowledgeable in the quran confirm this for me. Because if the quran written in the 14th-15th century was already talking about nuclear bombs then that's something!

WhamBam

Isn't it the 7th century when Mohammed was alive?

And where did this bit about nuclear bomb in Quran come about? Never heard of it.

Zinja

You are dead right pal and i was flat out wrong! Thanks for the correction (i guess you can now just about guess my knowledge os islam ). Anywhere I would still appreciate enlightenment on my question still thought.

"... The officials of the Islamic Republic of Iran have claimed in several occasions that Islam forbids the nuclear bomb and therefore the international community and the IAEA should not be concerned about the military side of the nuclear program of Iran..."

Does Islam Forbid the Nuclear Bomb? - Persian Journal Article Iran news

WhamBam

Heard of Taqiyyah (Lying to save your skin sanctioned by Islam).

And there are many who believe that Quran contains all scientific knowledge and the western scientists are just using it for all the scientific progress happening now. They are better at reading the Quran than the Muslims themselves.

Zinja

Yeah, i have heard that as well. Hmmm, most strange indeed!

TTL

Zinja your lack of knowlegde about islam is astonishing. (You should at least know Quran wasn't written in 15th century) I suggest you to do some more research before posting . And about Islam forbidding the nuclear bomb: Quran does not explicitly describes blueprints of any modern invention (those who believe it does are just fanatics) but since Islam is a humane and peaceful religion it can be deduced from Quran's teachings that we shall not nuke others.

Feanor

Or rape 200 000 women? Just one instance of peacefulness. Faith in good and in greater meaning is a wonderful thing, but organized religion is opium for the masses. It was so when it was first spoken, and it is so now.

WhamBam

You wrote it on a day when another ancient Buddha statue is destroyed by Islamic fanatics. Now if it does not sound a big deal just think how you would feel if it were any of the earliest mosques that Muslims revere.

When Muslims talk about humanity and peaceful and tolerant religion, how do you think it will be taken by all the people who have been attacked over the centuries by them. Entire civilizations destroyed, people and nations forcibly occupied and converted, massacres in the millions, destruction of thousands of years of accumulated knowledge, rape and enslavement of women by the hundreds of thousands, destruction of their religious places and glorification of bandits, rapists and mass murderers as heroes of Islam.

Just ask people in eastern Europe, Spain and India if they remember Islam as a peaceful and tolerant religion. And I have not even touched the current Islamic terrorism.

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Zinja

Granted! If you noticed, in my postings with Wham i admitted ignorance in the history of Islam. If my post offended you in anyway, again i apologise unreservedly.

Will do!

If that notion is derived from the general teachings of Islam as you say then i can understand that, but the same can be said of any other religion. However, that can hardly count for much really in the context issues in question here. To use such an explanation derived from general teachings of the Quran would hardly cut it anywhere and i guess you and i would agree that such an excuse can just be tossed out the window.

As for Islam being human and peaceful ... ... it seems at least two people so far don't agree with you on that. But then again i will leave that for people knowledgeable with Islam .

Bella

If anyone say that Islam is a peaceful religion, then I would have to argue that Christianity is just a peaceful!

WhamBam

It is one thing for the religion to preach values of peace and tolerance and quite another for its followers to actually follow them.

So anyone can quote their scriptures to show this or that saying promoting values of peace and tolerance. But the acid test is how have the followers of the religion behaved over history and very important was that behaviour motivated by their religion.

So if you have bandits who destroy thousands of religious places, commit rapes by the hundreds of thousands, take slaves by the hundreds of thousands, massacre two million people and still get revered as heroes of the religion (Mahmood of Gazhani to quote just one example), I am sure you are not seriously expecting people to still believe that yours is a religion of peace and tolerance.

This particular guy is revered as But-Shikan (Statue slayer) par excellence by the Muslims. How would they feel if tomorrow you have a mosque-slayer par excellence in another religion and he is revered by the followers of that religion and they come back and tell you how peaceful and tolerant their religion is.

Bella

That's exactly what I'm saying! Sorry if by my first statement I wasn't clear what my point was.