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Old 10-09-2007, 17:31 PM   #226 (permalink)
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Old 10-09-2007, 18:40 PM   #227 (permalink)
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It really WAS a great post; I was just going to tell him he was an idiot, and let it go at that.

One minor quibble with THIS, though:

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The US had already decided to remove Saddam early in 2002, unilaterally if necessary; then out of the blue came 9/11.
When you consult the timeline, I think you'll see that '2002' is incorrect.
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Old 10-09-2007, 19:13 PM   #228 (permalink)
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It really WAS a great post; I was just going to tell him he was an idiot, and let it go at that.

One minor quibble with THIS, though:



When you consult the timeline, I think you'll see that '2002' is incorrect.
Yep, you're right...2001 was the year. The serious planning started--just a rough guess--a month after the inauguration. Thanks.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:33 AM   #229 (permalink)
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I was under the distinct impression that what you claimed earlier was *half the Islamic world*.

Whatever...
It’ what we call in English “a manner of speaking”.

But while we’re on the subject, let’s explore it. around 4 or 5 submarines around 15-20 silos each equals at least 60 nukes with MRVs:

Beirut
Amman
Riyadh
Mecca
Medina
Baghdad
Tehran
Cairo
Damascus

‘nuf said.

Anyway it’s all immaterial. I’m done with the subject.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:45 AM   #230 (permalink)
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But while we’re on the subject, let’s explore it. around 4 or 5 submarines around 15-20 silos each equals at least 60 nukes with MRVs:

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Israeli Dolphin class subs possess neither silo tubes nor MIRVed missiles, having the Popeye Turbo cruise missiles instead.
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Old 10-10-2007, 11:50 AM   #231 (permalink)
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Old 10-10-2007, 14:57 PM   #232 (permalink)
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But while we’re on the subject, let’s explore it. around 4 or 5 submarines around 15-20 silos each equals at least 60 nukes with MRVs:
1. The Israeli navy DOESN'T have 4 or 5 nuclear-capable subs.

2. The Israeli nuclear-capable subs DON'T have missile silos.

3.The Israeli sub-launched nukes DON'T have MRVs.

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Beirut
Amman
Riyadh
Mecca
Medina
Baghdad
Tehran
Cairo
Damascus
Those cities taken together don't even total 1/20th of the Islamic world.

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It’ what we call in English “a manner of speaking”.
Methink it's what we call BS.
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Old 10-10-2007, 16:03 PM   #233 (permalink)
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Indeed they are [getting nuclear powered submarines from Germany]. Look it up.
Thankfully the Germans do not build, nor do the have the capacity to build nuclear submarines. It is you, ExNavy, who needs to do some research.

By the way, just what is it you did to get kicked out of the USN?
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Old 10-10-2007, 18:49 PM   #234 (permalink)
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Latest From Ahmedinejad

"'The roots of this incident [9/11] must be disclosed. It should not be turned into an idol like the Holocaust and be used for slaughtering people,' he said. 'The truths behind it should not remain unknown. September 11th must not become a holy thing like the Holocaust and its deniers be deemed as unbelievers and become victims of it.'"

Ex-Nuke Envoy Raps Ahmadinejad Policies

See this commentary from yesterday, courtesy of SWJ and the Weekly Standard.

Sy Hersh's Overactive Imagination

Robert Baer's book SEE NO EVIL provides some possible answers to Ahmadinejad's quest for the truth. Heaven help the public officials who know Baer's contentions to be true, if they are. Iranian complicity in 9/11 should mean war.
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Old 10-10-2007, 20:47 PM   #235 (permalink)
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No signs of unruly aggression? Support for Hizballah, support for Hamas, support for various anti-Coalition forces in Iraq, including direct action, it's leader has threatened to wipe another sovereign state from the face of the Earth while leading a program pursuing military buildup and nuclear weapons. Yup, I guess besides all that type of stuff, we're pretty juvenile to assume they have anything but peaceful coexistance on their minds.
First and foremost, allow me to make haste reference to your misinterpreted account of Ahmadinejad's saying, "wipe Israel off the map." The quote, for whatever reason, was haphazardly mistranslated. The actual words were more along the lines of, "Israel's regime must be wiped off", so to speak. A detailed analysis of the event (with great translating, mind you) can be found through this link:

The Rumor of the Century: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Never Said "Israel must be wiped off the map"

Secondly, I find your accusations of Iranian interference with Iraqi activities erroneously presumptuous. The only basis for your claims would be the American military reporting of it, which does little to ease the neutral mind. It is evidently recognizable, the likelihood and availability of major bias in such reports, in hopes of orchestrating an artificial illusion to further a private agenda. Iran has constantly denied such attacks, and there are no other verifiable or viable sources to confirm such accusations or responses on behalf of either entity. To truly expose the situation, one would need an abundance of UN troops to investigate those specific circumstances.

Finally, to conclude my response to this section of your statements, I would like to mention the foreign militants who are fighting and killing American soldiers by the day - Saudi Arabians. However, there is no international condemnation or denouncing imposed on the Saudi government because of Saudi militants in Iraq. Why? Easy: the two nations are "buddies", bond together with the fraudulent connection of oil.

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Israel's nuclear weapons have been a given for a long time. What has suddenly made Iran feel so threatened as to motivate them to have nukes? Did Israel threaten Iran... ever? You've obviously got it backwards. If you think Israel is the root of the problem here, as oppossed to Iran's agenda of dominating the region, then you're most blissfully ignorant.
Israel's nuclear weapons, to the contrary, have not been known to be in existence or operational for a significant period of time. Additionally, Israel constantly denies the premise of both having and not having nuclear weapons, and refuses further commentary or entertainment of questions regarding such potentially horrific matters. Israel has much more hostility, oppression, and conflict on their hands, not to mention an illegal settlement, which goes even further to show the colossal difference between both nations' genuineness. Finally, because Israel bars mandatory UN inspections, and refuses to sign the compulsory nuclear non-proliferation treaty, rationale would dictate that the microscope should be analyzing Israel in place of Iran, especially when the latter lacks the possession of nuclear weapons in general.

Oh, and I apologize to my late response. Such may be the case for a certain span of time, considering my busy schedule these days.
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Old 10-10-2007, 20:49 PM   #236 (permalink)
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Depends on the objectives of any said war. If the US wishes to merely destroy the entire power grid and crash the cascades once and for all, Iran could do crap all about that.
Too many foreign objections interfere with such unrealistic approaches to Iran.

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Several 1000 miles renders any Iranian retaliation moot.
I just discovered through Wikipedia that Iran has the largest military in the world. Interesting, is it not?
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Too many foreign objections interfere with such unrealistic approaches to Iran.
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I just discovered through Wikipedia that Iran has the largest military in the world. Interesting, is it not?
You expect us to take you seriously after this? Not even in the top 10.
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Secondly, I find your accusations of Iranian interference with Iraqi activities erroneously presumptuous. The only basis for your claims would be the American military reporting of it, which does little to ease the neutral mind. It is evidently recognizable, the likelihood and availability of major bias in such reports, in hopes of orchestrating an artificial illusion to further a private agenda. Iran has constantly denied such attacks, and there are no other verifiable or viable sources to confirm such accusations or responses on behalf of either entity. To truly expose the situation, one would need an abundance of UN troops to investigate those specific circumstances.

BAGHDAD — Iran has demanded that Iraqi Kurds leave their border villages.
Kurdish sources said Iran's military has dropped leaflets into Iraqi Kurdish villages that call for their immediate evacuation. The leaflets warned the Kurds of impending Iranian military strikes.

"The authorities of the Islamic Republic of Iran will work on cleansing this area," the leaflet said.


On Aug. 20, Kurdish sources said an Iranian military helicopter was shot down by Kurdish insurgents near the Iranian-Iraqi-Turkish border. The helicopter was said to contain at least six Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps officers assigned to direct attacks against the Kurds.
The leaflets were distributed in the northern province of Irbil on Aug. 19 as Iranian troops began deployment along the Iraqi border. Kurdish sources said Iran appeared ready to launch an offensive against Kurdish insurgents from the so-called Party of Freedom of Life, which demands autonomy for Kurds in Iran.

The sources said Iranian forces were deployed near the Iraqi town of Haj Omran. The military operation was said to have been coordinated with Turkey.

"Our enemies, mainly the Americans, are trying to plant security hurdles in our country," the Iranian leaflet said. "They achieved this through using agents in the [Iraqi] areas of Kandil and Khaneera inside the Kurdish region."

World Tribune — Iran leaflets threaten Kurds in northern Iraq with 'cleansing'


Good thing these "accusations of Iranian interference with Iraqi activities" are only reported by 'Americans'.

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