The Secret War Against Iran - Page 3

Alamgir · 04-07-2007, 17:02 PM

Iran's border with Pakistan is around 900km long. It was reported in the IRNA that the wall would be around 600km. This wall is to stop bandits/criminals and terrorists from crossing over into Iran and from escaping back into Pakistan. Some of these may still get through but then again, others will not.

Alamgir · 04-07-2007, 17:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xerxes

Also, regardless of United States not being part of Taliban's birth, the United States did supported various Jihadist leaders prior to the Taliban: Hekmatiar, Ahmad Shah Massoud etc. etc.

Massoud was more of a nationalist than a Jihadi leader during the Afghan civil war. Foreign powers were right to support him against the Taliban.

**Julie** · 04-08-2007, 13:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alamgir

Iran is currently building a 10ft high and 3ft wide concrete wall that will stretch almost the entire length of the border with Pakistan. That will solve this and other problems coming over from Pakistan.

That's the first I've heard of it. You mean Pakistan provided nuke technology to Iran, and Iran is going to build this wall between the two countries? Incredible, do you have a link?

kams · 04-08-2007, 13:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

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India has a border that is fenced and with all the sensors and other devices. Technically, very sound and infiltration proof and yet they always slip in! Patrolling the fence 24 x 7 each bit of the fence and having constant presence at each bit of the fence is the only way to beat the infiltration. So, where does one get so many troops to be positioned all along the border at the fence for 24 x 7?

Sir,

Recently there was an article in one of Indian newspapers about the fence. As per the report, it takes about 6-8 minutes for the terrorists to breach the fence. The location is pinpointed by the sensors and apparently that time is enough for the Rapid reaction force to engage the intruders. It was stated that Fence helped in reducing the intrusion to a large extent.

I will try to find the article and post it. Unlike us, you were at the location and know much more about the efficacy of the fense.

Alamgir · 04-08-2007, 13:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie

That's the first I've heard of it. You mean Pakistan provided nuke technology to Iran, and Iran is going to build this wall between the two countries? Incredible, do you have a link?

Everybody knows that Pakistan is a sanctuary for terrorists. The Taliban freely admits they are operating out of Pakistan and this Baluchi group responsible for the bombing in Zahedan and attacks on Iranian soldiers admits the same. So this strict action against criminals crossing the border into Iran from Pakistan is long overdue and this wall is one way to help keep them out of Iran.

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Pak-Iran border open for legal trade, travel: Iranian Ambassador

Iran's Ambassador to Pakistan Masha'allah Shakiri dispelled the impression that Pakistan-Iran border has been closed and clarified that there are no restrictions on cross-border movement and trade.

In an interview with IRNA here Friday, Mr. Shakiri pointed out that trade through land routes is going-on between the two countries as usual.

To a question about construction of walls on its borders with Pakistan, the ambassador said that this matter has already been brought to the notice of Pakistan, adding Pakistani authorities had expressed concern on several occasions over smuggling of Iranian oil into Pakistan and had demanded action against it.

The Ambassador said that his country is constructing walls to check illegal travel and trade and human and narcotics' smuggling and to ensure peace along the borders.

"To construct walls for ensuring peaceful condition at borders and check smuggling is the legitimate right of every country," argued the ambassador.

Shakiri hoped that this step would prove fruitful to check human smuggling.

Talking about Iran's foreign policy, he said that his country has always worked for promoting good relations with its neighbours as peace and tranquility in the region has been its top priority.

"Peaceful condition in the region is in the interest of both countries," he elaborated.

The Iranian envoy said that the Custom authorities of both countries remain in contact and added that Joint Markets existed at Marjawa in Pishin and on Kohak Border.

He said that legal travel facilities exist at Marjawa in Iran and at Taft in Pakistan and this territory is actively busy in this respect.

It may be mentioned that Iran is constructing 900 km wall on its south-eastern border with Pakistan
Joint patrolling along the borders, exchange of criminals, curbing human and drug smuggling as well as border fencing are issues approved by the joint border commission.

Marjawa border has been a center for illegal trade and smuggling and movement of terrorists. According to unconfirmed reports about five thousand people entered Iran illegally through this border who were arrested and handed over to Pakistani authorities.

A large number of people travel by Quetta-Zahedan railway.

Pak-Iran border open for legal trade, travel: Iranian Ambassador - Irna

Expat Canuck · 04-09-2007, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gamercube

The Great Wall of China was mostly successful, was it not?

I was about to say that!

Expat Canuck · 04-09-2007, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Alamgir

Well obviously a concrete wall would not be enough on its own to stop a horde of Mongols but that isnt the reason why this wall is being built so nothing for Iran to worry about. The wall will prevent bandits and smugglers crossing over into Iran from Pakistan.

I'm sure they are not so uneducated that they don't know where to get their hands on a ladder.

Asim Aquil · 04-09-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chankya

I'd say a wall is better than no wall. If nothing else it does provide employment.

Why am I not surprised that the US and Pakistan would do something like this.

I wonder if they recall how it ended the last time around.

I really doubt Pakistan has any agreement in the matter. The Baloch militant outfit is a strong enemy of the state.

Asim Aquil · 04-09-2007, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kams

Sir,

Recently there was an article in one of Indian newspapers about the fence. As per the report, it takes about 6-8 minutes for the terrorists to breach the fence. The location is pinpointed by the sensors and apparently that time is enough for the Rapid reaction force to engage the intruders. It was stated that Fence helped in reducing the intrusion to a large extent.

I will try to find the article and post it. Unlike us, you were at the location and know much more about the efficacy of the fense.

Perhaps a wall with two or three tiers is what is need?

chankya · 04-09-2007, 21:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

I really doubt Pakistan has any agreement in the matter. The Baloch militant outfit is a strong enemy of the state.

I'm not sure. Nawab Bugti might have been against the state but I'm sure Pakistan has some kind of CT unit operating.

JMH · 04-09-2007, 23:06 PM

Secret War against Iran?
This war must not be very secret if it is being discussed here. This Secret War will not be effective unless it targets and kills the Iranian Mullahs and the Iranian President. Only these types of assassinations would be helpful in causing Iran to implode into civil war and anarchy or leave the incredibly stupid Revolutionary Guard leaders in charge of Iran and these leaders would quickly start an all out war of Martyrdom against Israel and USA which would result in the complete annihilation of Iran. Killing a few border guards and low level commanders will anger the Iranian Government but not seriously threaten it. The only value of this type of harassing operation is to goad the Iranian Government into starting a pre-mature war (before Iran has completed its Nuclear Weapons) with Israel and the USA that Iran cannot hope to win.

Alamgir · 04-10-2007, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JMH

Secret War against Iran?
This Secret War will not be effective unless it targets and kills the Iranian Mullahs and the Iranian President. Only these types of assassinations would be helpful in causing Iran to implode into civil war and anarchy or leave the incredibly stupid Revolutionary Guard leaders in charge of Iran and these leaders would quickly start an all out war of Martyrdom against Israel and USA which would result in the complete annihilation of Iran.

You sound like some kind of pre-historic tyrant hell-bent on conquest and 'destruction' just for the sake of 'destruction'. So trying to incite a civil war in Iran as a precursor to an American-Israeli attack to 'annihilate' what it is left would be your way to 'deal' with the regime? And the Western media would have everyone believe that the only deluded fanatics to be found are in the Middle East?

Alamgir · 04-10-2007, 07:01 AM

Has the US government given any official reaction to the interview VOA did with this guy Rigi?

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Iran slams VOA talk to wanted terrorist
Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:07:44

Spokesman for Iran's Foreign Ministry Mohammad Ali Hosseini has deplored the VOA interview with one of Iran's most wanted terrorist and drugs trafficker Abdul Malik Rigi.

Hosseini said the interview by the Persian Service of Voice of America (VOA) with the notorious terrorist was a clear manifestation of the American double standard treatment of its so-called "anti-terrorism campaign".

He said the VOA interviewed the man despite its full knowledge that he was wanted in Iran for running a drug trafficking gang and his leading role in the kidnapping and slaughtering of innocent civilians and law enforcement.

He said Washington's behavior towards the terrorist Mojahedeen Khalq Organization (MKO) in the past could also be cited as another example of its double standard policies.

Hosseini said the U.S. sought to create insecurity in Iran and pave the way for the bloodshed of its innocent citizens via its propaganda apparatus which he termed as "disgusting" and "doomed to fail."

He said such attempts were clear examples of efforts to encourage terrorism and fuel ethnic conflicts.

The Foreign Ministry Spokesman said Iran regarded the interview as interference in its domestic affairs and a clear violation of the Algiers accord and strongly condemned it.

Hosseini stressed that Iran preserved the right to take legal action on the issue.

VOA Persian Service TV, recently held a phone interview for the first time with Abdul Malik Rigi, the head of the terrorist cult called Jondollah.

Rigi, who is responsible for the death and injury of more than 50 ethnic Baluchi Iranians, has so far killed and taken hostage several Iranian border guards. In his latest terrorist operation in the city of Zahedan in the southeastern province of Sistan and Baluchestan, he planted a bomb in a couch carrying the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps staff home from work, killing 11.

Iran says the United States harbors and trains Rigi gang members to carry out terrorist operations inside Iran and to destabilize the country by supporting separatist movements.

The United States also funds the terror group in a bid to sow discord among Iran's ethnic communities. The CIA supplies cash and weapons to the group to resort to terrorist methods.

VD/SM/DB

Press TV

JMH · 04-10-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Alamgir

You sound like some kind of pre-historic tyrant hell-bent on conquest and 'destruction' just for the sake of 'destruction'. So trying to incite a civil war in Iran as a precursor to an American-Israeli attack to 'annihilate' what it is left would be your way to 'deal' with the regime? And the Western media would have everyone believe that the only deluded fanatics to be found are in the Middle East?

Iran is the leading terror power on earth today. Iran uses terror groups in Gaza, Syria and Lebanon to fight a proxy war against Israel. The Iranian President has threatened repeatedly to wipe Israel of the map. The Iranian revolutionary guard kidnaps foreign personnel whenever they please to use them as propaganda pawns on Television. The Iranian Government recently executed a 16-year-old Iranian Girl for anti-social behaviour because her uncle had raped her. I would consider that rather pre-historic! It is better to have the Iranians kill each other and than finish off what is left of them than to wait around for Iran and Israel to have a Nuclear War which would kill millions of people.

"And the Western media would have everyone believe that the only deluded fanatics to be found are in the Middle East"?

No need for media help with that, the Iranian President proclaims to the world what a deluded fanatic he is every time he makes an international speech. For example, the Iranian President claims that the Holocaust did not happen, Israel should move its population to Alaska or Germany, Israel should be wiped off the map, Iran’s Nuclear program is like a speeding train without brakes--The Iranian President is quite mad without any help from Western Media. Why would you even try to defend such an evil government?

Alamgir · 04-12-2007, 13:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JMH

It is better to have the Iranians kill each other and than finish off what is left of them than to wait around for Iran and Israel to have a Nuclear War which would kill millions of people.

It wont happent. Any attack on the Iranian government and on Iran will harden peoples support for it. Ethnic issues are overhyped by the media. Military support for a few dozen bandits from Baluchestan is not going to result in all Iranians 'killing eachother'.

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Why would you even try to defend such an evil government?

I dont.

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JMH Regular Join Date: 01-24-07 Location: Alexandria and Everett and various other locations. Posts: 116 Country:	Secret War against Iran? This war must not be very secret if it is being discussed here. This Secret War will not be effective unless it targets and kills the Iranian Mullahs and the Iranian President. Only these types of assassinations would be helpful in causing Iran to implode into civil war and anarchy or leave the incredibly stupid Revolutionary Guard leaders in charge of Iran and these leaders would quickly start an all out war of Martyrdom against Israel and USA which would result in the complete annihilation of Iran. Killing a few border guards and low level commanders will anger the Iranian Government but not seriously threaten it. The only value of this type of harassing operation is to goad the Iranian Government into starting a pre-mature war (before Iran has completed its Nuclear Weapons) with Israel and the USA that Iran cannot hope to win.

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