xerxes

Totally agree with you here mr Zraver ... I see that, unlike most people, you have no problem in admitting that your own government is ready to make and finance its own terror network, if the need arises.

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Alamgir

For a group thats being funded by the CIA and being sheltered by Pakistan they cant have any legit aims or objectives. They are probably nothing but a bunch of bandits. The real Baluch national movement is going on in the Pakistani side of Baluchestan and if this group was legit, thats where they would be fighting for "Baluch rights".

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Alamgir

Well obviously a concrete wall would not be enough on its own to stop a horde of Mongols but that isnt the reason why this wall is being built so nothing for Iran to worry about. The wall will prevent bandits and smugglers crossing over into Iran from Pakistan.

Officer of Engineers

You're joking me! I give it 10 days after the wall is up before they find a way across.

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Stan187

"HQ, the enemy is employing trampolines en masse, please advise, over"

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Ray

You are losing your cool!

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Ray

The Pak sponsored terrorists are crossing the Indian hi tech fence!

Fences are psychologically comfortable!

chankya

I'd say a wall is better than no wall. If nothing else it does provide employment.

Why am I not surprised that the US and Pakistan would do something like this.

I wonder if they recall how it ended the last time around.

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wkllaw

A wall like that can only slow people down, but they'll find a way around it and Iran can figure out the problem and solve it, but the other guys will find a way around it and so on and so on. As long as there's a will there's a way.

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zraver

Which last time? Hadrians Wall did its job, as doid the virtual wall of Roman legionare camps on the borders of Germania (at least until the legions were called to Persia). The Maginot Line and the great Wall worked where they were built to spec etc.

kams

I think Chankya is referring to what happened last time CIA supported a Jihadist group.

As to walls, they are useless unless equipped with sensors and supported with quick reaction units. The wall Iran is building is to prevent Terrorists not an army.

chankya

The "last time" was a ref to the US and Pakistan stirring up a insurgency and I meant the Taliban.

I did say some wall was better than no wall. Even so I don't think your comparison with Germania would stand. The Germanic legions were strung up across the Rhine and the Danube and there was no other wall per se.

Also the Maginot line did not fail because it was not build up to spec. It failed because the German invasion route through the Ardennes and the low countries simply bypassed the Maginot line. The only germans stationed opposite the line were a decoy group.

Besides in both cases the comparison is wrong because the idea was to stop an invasion not an insurgency. Its always harder to detect people coming over in groups of tens than it is to detect people coming over in the thousands.

zraver

I called the Germania legions a virtual wall, the barrier was rivers. the legionares spoiled infiltrators. As Ray said a quick reaction force. The maginot line failed becuase it was not built to spec, it left the Ardennes under covered and the Belgian frontier uncovered.

BTW the US did not start the Taliban, that sin rests with the ISI, the US was long gone by thier creation.

xerxes

To be fair, Taliban is ISI creation, not that of CIA, however nevertheless it was supported and heavilly funded by EAU, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. All friends of the United States. But unlike Syria's and Iran's role in regards to Hizbollah, those Sunni powers (EAU, KSA and Pakistan) that supported the Taliban seem to receive different treatement in the United States PR.

Also, regardless of United States not being part of Taliban's birth, the United States did supported various Jihadist leaders prior to the Taliban: Hekmatiar, Ahmad Shah Massoud etc. etc. The Jihadist and religous fanatics were also used against nationalist Dr. Mossadeq and Nasser. To think that the United States is a power that is above doing "nasty" things like that, is quite laughable. However, to think that the United States can convince "majority people" that it is the holiest of the holy with a mandate from heaven to spread Freedom, is not laughable.

Ray

Xerxes,

Read 'Unholy War' and "The Bear Trap" to observe the various players who organised the Mujahideens.

No obstacle in the world is insurmountable because all obstacles are to be kept under observation and also patrolled!

Now, go patrol a wall that span a national border!

India has a border that is fenced and with all the sensors and other devices. Technically, very sound and infiltration proof and yet they always slip in! Patrolling the fence 24 x 7 each bit of the fence and having constant presence at each bit of the fence is the only way to beat the infiltration. So, where does one get so many troops to be positioned all along the border at the fence for 24 x 7?