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Old 04-04-2007, 16:00 PM   #406 (permalink)
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Thanks.

It is not my view alone.

I am sure most people in uniform would feel it that way!



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Old 04-04-2007, 16:50 PM   #407 (permalink)
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Pretty nice gift .
That's a case when good boys must say thanks!
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Old 04-04-2007, 17:04 PM   #408 (permalink)
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Ray Sir,
I would respect your choice of how you would have decided to handle a situation by your government, I made mine based on my personal principals, please have the decency to respect my personal choice of action in this matter, should the outcome have been negative.

I shared my decision with the members of this board based on the feelings being shown in the thread, they are my medals I earned them if I want to use them to make a point against the actions of the government of my birth country I will, I did not ask you to give up yours, nor did I try to recruit anyone else to go along with me, that is something I would not even consider ...it was my decision alone, and I did not come to it lightly.

Disagree with it, but please do not try to belittle it.
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Old 04-04-2007, 17:21 PM   #409 (permalink)
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This whole thing has annoyed me so much how childish is it? Parading them on on tv to appologise for something they didn't do. What really annoys me is how the Iranian President is trying to make himself look like a merciful kind man for releasing them and forgiving them. Also him giving a bravery medal to the person who took them. THEN what really takes the biscuit is when one of the mothers of a sailor says how she would like to thank the Iranians for their gift of releasing the sailors! If they hadn't of took them in the first place there would have been no stress.
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Old 04-04-2007, 18:35 PM   #410 (permalink)
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My Prediction:

This news will slowly fade until the average world citizen will move on to other things and you guys will get your lads back in a month or three with hardly a blip on the news radar.
In no way will Iran suffer the utter humiliation it so richly deserves.[/quote]


Ummm....
once again, I see my prediction was spot on!


He..he.....umm.m..
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Old 04-04-2007, 18:47 PM   #411 (permalink)
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They are going to be released.

NPR : Iranian Leader Surprises British with Release
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Old 04-04-2007, 18:48 PM   #412 (permalink)
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My Prediction:

This news will slowly fade until the average world citizen will move on to other things and you guys will get your lads back in a month or three with hardly a blip on the news radar.
In no way will Iran suffer the utter humiliation it so richly deserves.

Ummm....
once again, I see my prediction was spot on!


He..he.....umm.m.. [/quote]

The only ones who have not seen how fragmented and utterly stupidly naive the Iranians are,............. are the Iranian people themselves.

Lets hold off awhile and see how politicly this plays out now, over the next couple of months.

As for your prediction, good effort, not even close still all over the newspapers and tv,............... oh and only 2 weeks
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Old 04-04-2007, 18:54 PM   #413 (permalink)
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15 UK sailors to be released to the British Embassy in Teheran by morning:
Iranians release British sailors

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says 15 British naval personnel captured in the Gulf are free to leave.
He repeated Iran's view that the British sailors and marines "invaded" Iranian waters, but said they were being released as a "gift" to Britain.

They are expected to be handed to the British embassy in Tehran on Thursday morning before flying home.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair said the news would come as "a profound relief" to the crew and their families.

Iranian media said the British crew members "shouted for joy" on hearing the news.

The British embassy in Tehran said it had now seen the sailors for the first time, and it was arranging the details of their travel home. But it was not clear where they were spending the night.

Earlier, television pictures showed the Iranian president smiling, chatting and shaking hands with the crew at the presidential palace in Tehran.

He joked to one: "How are you? So you came on a mandatory vacation?"

The Britons were wearing suits, rather than the military uniform and tracksuits they wore in previous pictures. The one female crew member, Faye Turney, wore a blue headscarf and jacket.

An unidentified crew member said: "I'd like to say that myself and my whole team are very grateful for your forgiveness. I'd like to thank yourself and the Iranian people... Thank you very much, sir."

Mr Ahmadinejad responded in Farsi: "You are welcome."

'Theatrical gesture'

Mr Ahmadinejad announced the decision to release the Britons at a news conference In Tehran.

He spoke at length, attacking the West over its policy in the Middle East, and it was more than an hour before he even mentioned the captives issue.

He repeated allegations that the Britons were captured in Iranian waters, and awarded medals to the Iranian commanders responsible for detaining them.

It was all part of the build up to his extraordinary theatrical gesture, says the BBC's diplomatic correspondent James Robbins.

"We have every right to put these people on trial," Mr Ahmadinejad asserted.

"But I want to give them as a present to the British people to say they are all free."

He said they were being pardoned to mark both the Prophet Muhammad's birthday on 30 March, and the upcoming Easter holiday.

"I'm asking Mr Blair to not put these 15 personnel on trial because they admitted they came to Iranian territorial water," he added, referring to taped "confessions" made by the British sailors and marines.

Britain says the 15 were in Iraqi waters under a UN mandate when they were captured nearly two weeks ago. It says the confessions were extracted under duress.

"Unfortunately the British government was not even brave enough to tell their people the truth, that it made a mistake," Mr Ahmadinejad said.

The Iranian leader said no concessions had been made by the British government to secure the releases, but that Britain had pledged "that the incident would not be repeated".

'We respect Iran'

Prime Minister Tony Blair said Britain's approach to the crisis had been "firm but calm - not negotiating but not confronting either".

He did not thank or address the Iranian president, but said to the Iranian people: "We bear you no ill will. On the contrary, we respect Iran as an ancient civilisation, as a nation with a proud and dignified history.

"The disagreements we have with your government we wish to resolve peacefully through dialogue. I hope - as I've always hoped - that in the future we are able to do so."

The solution to the crisis - freeing the Britons while rewarding the Iranian commanders of the operation - appears to be a face-saving compromise, says the BBC's Frances Harrison in Tehran.

She says speculation is likely to continue over whether it had anything to do with developments in Iraq, where an Iranian envoy has reportedly been given access to five Iranians captured by US forces, and where a kidnapped diplomat was released on Tuesday.

Earlier on Wednesday Syria revealed that it had been mediating between Iran and the UK over the sailors and marines.

The family of one of the captives, Royal Marine Adam Sperry, hailed the announcement as "the best present imaginable".

"Whoever has been in the right or wrong, the whole thing has been a political mess, so let's just get them home," said his uncle, Ray Cooper. [/quote]
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Disagree with it, but please do not try to belittle it.
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I do not believe the Brigadier is belittling your gesture but rather it would be lost on your government. Such a gesture was lost on mine. Do recall LCol McRae's medals who were put up for auction and it took one single Canadian to do with courage what Ottawa (read the ***** Shelia Copps) would not do - to preserve the man's honour and Canadian heritage.

I would ask if you find it so necessary, please do us Canadian and/or Indian honour that you sell us (me or the Brigadier) so that we may do the honour of restoring to your regiment, family, and country's honour by donating them to your regimental museum.

I think that would be insult enough ... that you would trust a foreigner to uphold British honour instead of London.
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Old 04-05-2007, 02:18 AM   #415 (permalink)
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I do not believe the Brigadier is belittling your gesture but rather it would be lost on your government. Such a gesture was lost on mine. Do recall LCol McRae's medals who were put up for auction and it took one single Canadian to do with courage what Ottawa (read the ***** Shelia Copps) would not do - to preserve the man's honour and Canadian heritage.

I would ask if you find it so necessary, please do us Canadian and/or Indian honour that you sell us (me or the Brigadier) so that we may do the honour of restoring to your regiment, family, and country's honour by donating them to your regimental museum.

I think that would be insult enough ... that you would trust a foreigner to uphold British honour instead of London.
Sir,I would like to clear this up and put the record straight,
I hear and thank you for the comments, I have been wanting to do this all day, your post made me sit and do it.
I tried to stay away from the thread(s) on this topic through out this, as I personally felt this was a huge test for my government ,but alas I failed, actually it was a previous comment made by the Brigadier and the word "Pique" that really upset me I did ignore that.

It would be unfair of me to say that this decision I made came about because of this one incident, it was the culmination of several.For a few years now I have watched my government reduce my Army to a level that is totally unnaceptable, these boys are asked to do more and more with less and less, I feel they have betrayed the serviceman/woman.

This hostage situation for me as I said was a huge test, as much as I tried to stay positive and defend my government at this time, there was a hollow feeling inside me, if they had not got them back for me it would have been the final straw, thats why I made the decision I did and I fully intended to hand them in myself not mail them to the house of commons.

However, the situation was resolved, I do not have to carry it through.

I understand the point would have been lost on politicians, it just became, because of the last few years where I sit idly by watching all these events because I am to old, the hostage situation, and my how can I say not a little uncertainty about my present government, it became a principle.

I apologise to the members if any of my comments over the last two weeks have been near the mark and unreasonable, I guess I allowed the thread(s) to control my thought process.(not my decision)

Also I fear I allowed my heart to rule my head the last two weeks.


PS... When I told Mrs tigger today it was over, she sad "thank god" I went to my desk drawer to clean my medals ..they were gone......I asked Mrs Tigger if she knew where they were.........she replied " where you cannot get at them , the mood you have been in the last two weeks.........you can have them back on the 11th of November (Remeberence day)!!!!!!!!!!!..........So the indometable mrs Tigger was way ahead of all us, she was not going to allow me to do it!!!
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Now that the 15 captured are back, I would hate to be in the shoes on the Captain of HMS Cornwell. His career seems sealed!
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Old 04-05-2007, 05:46 AM   #417 (permalink)
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Good result with the innocent on a flight home and no-one dying. Two weeks of strife based on a stupid decision to take them captive. The UN need to re-evaluate their rules of engagement so that the chances of this happen again are reduced.
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PS... When I told Mrs tigger today it was over, she sad "thank god" I went to my desk drawer to clean my medals ..they were gone......I asked Mrs Tigger if she knew where they were.........she replied " where you cannot get at them , the mood you have been in the last two weeks.........you can have them back on the 11th of November (Remeberence day)!!!!!!!!!!!..........So the indometable mrs Tigger was way ahead of all us, she was not going to allow me to do it!!!
Wayne,hint mate, they're NOT in the booze cabinet Good Girl Mrs T. Was going to send my medals but they may have melted by the time they got to No 10
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probably people tend to forget another side of the coin - CIA never stopped its activity against Iranian government.... and CIA involvement in Iran dates back to 1950-es. Do you remember how the Shakh took power?!?!!? and who occupied Iran in 1940-es? (..... + USSR)

Anyway. It is not really important.... what is important is that many decision would love to bomb Iran... I guess that is what we may see quite soon.
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Ah the glorious 50's, when Cambridge university was at its height of notoriety, the cold war was blossoming, Macarthurism and paranoia were rampant in the USA,..............sometimes I miss the old days things were so care free
Hi T_igger_cs_30,

I asked this questions just to explain one thing... if you get answers to this question you would understand WHY A-jad wins domestic support everytime he opposes USA and Brittain. Neither USA nor UK NEVER said they are sorry for what they did to iranians....

If you know this you would never go and ask xerxs questions like - go and launch pro-western movement in Iran.... the hate to these two countries is based on PEOPLE feelings and hence any government even a most democratic one would be exploiting this to gain support when they need it. This is unbeatable tool!!!

By saying that world is not black and white I proposed that you guys try to understand more than a general words about DEMOCRATIC VALUES HOLD EVERYWHERE!!!..... Anybody who would try to be pro-USA/UK in Iran is DOOMED as politician
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If you know this you would never go and ask xerxs questions like - go and launch pro-western movement in Iran....
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