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http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publ...cle_3901.shtml

Iran seeks Indian radar system
Sep 26, 2004, 17:00

Iran is negotiating with India to buy advanced radar system to protect its nuclear weapons facilities.

The Untied States is closely monitoring the potential deal.

Industry sources on Saturday said New Delhi has been considering an Iranian request for an upgraded Western- origin radar systems.

They said the systems are designed for fire control and surveillance of anti-aircraft batteries. Iran is seeking an unspecified number of Upgraded Support Fledermaus radar systems from the Indian state-owned Bharat Electronics Ltd, or BEL.

The deal could reach $ 70 million and mark the first major defence agreement between New Delhi and Tehran since they signed a defence cooperation pact in 2002.

The government in New Delhi has been examining the Iranian request for about a year now. Tehran has relayed two separate requests for the upgraded radar systems. Industry sources said New Delhi has been under pressure form the United States not to sell the radars to Iran.

The United States has determined that the request is part of Iran’s military effort to protect its nuclear weapons facilities. Iran already employs Soviet-origin anti-aircraft systems around the Bushehr nuclear reactor.

It has already been a client of BEL in 2001, the Indian company sold Teheran components for sonar systems deployed by the Iranian navy.

The 2002 defence cooperation pact between New Delhi and Teheran was meant to pave the way for Indian upgrades and maintenance of Iran’s navy.

The Upgraded Super Fledermaus is a monopulse radar used in 35-mm air defence batteries and designed to detect low-flying objects, such as unmanned air vehicles.

The digital system contains a but-in simulator as well as a signal jammer. BEL has confirmed Iran’s request for the upgraded radar. Executives said Iran has sought the same fire control and surveillance radar that the company upgraded for the Indian Army in 2001.

The Super Fledermaus was acquired in the early 1980s and produced by BEL under licence from the radar’s designer Ericsson Radar Electronics

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Lunatock

Don't suppose someone could call up Vajpayee and remind him of the quote "with us or against us" before he agrees to help Iran with their aspirations to go nuclear?

Jay

Vajpayee is no more. We arent just puppets, more over USA does know the dealings with Iran. Not to mention that USA and India just signed NSSA last week with US.

Dont worry, we dont have rougue scientists in India, who travels to other countries in chartered planes to sell nuclear bomb materials. We are not that advanced. Everything comes under a civilian govt, not under a dictator with sweeping powers, they are accountable and responsible for every one of their actions and they cannot hold tight any secrets like this one, coz its transparent and its a coalition of different parties.

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USA to ease curbs on supply of N-equipment
ISRO to be removed from ban list
T.N. Parasuram

Washington, September 18
Ahead of the first-ever meeting between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President George W. Bush, the USA has eased restrictions on the supply of equipment and technology for India’s civilian space and nuclear programmes, which included removing ISRO from a prohibition list, clearing a major obstacle in Indo-US strategic ties.

The decision was taken during the talks between Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran and US officials, including Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs Marc Grossman here.

“The first phase in the next steps in strategic partnership (NSSP) is, of course, lays stress on the space side. When we get into the second face, it will be focused perhaps a little more on the nuclear stage,” Mr Saran told reporters yesterday.

“This,” he said, “is a very important agreement that has been concluded today. We are very happy to have this on the eve of the meeting between President Bush and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.” The two leaders are meeting on September 21 in New York on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.

A joint press statement issued on the talks Mr Saran had with US officials said “since January, the two governments have worked closely together to conclude Phase One of the NSSP. This includes the implementation of measures to address proliferation concerns and ensure compliance with US export controls.”

These modification, including removing the ISRO from the Department of Commerce Entity List, are fully consistent with US non-proliferation laws, obligations, and objectives.

It says the USA and India will continue to move forward under the NSSP and have a joint implementation group for this purpose. During the talks with the Bush administration officials, the Indian Foreign Secretary met Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, Under Secretary for Commerce (Industry and Security) Kenneth Juster, Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs Paula Dobriansky, and Under Secretary (Policy) in the Defence Department Douglas Feith. — PTI


who wants crow soup??

Ray

Heavens.

Isn't this already in the Asia section?

How many places must the same post be posted? This has been posted as post #49 in Indo - Iranian special strategis relationship & partnership. And now it features here.

This is most juvenile.

Let's post under one thread in one of the sections and then let the discussion go on.

Or else we will be posting our same reply all over the forum!

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Ray

Anyway, the automatic anti-aircraft artillery batteries (five actually) are equipped with radar-guided 40 mm guns. The Super-Fledermaus fire control systems are in the process of being replaced by PEAB radar systems. Hence is obsolescent.

These are used for 'one point' AD cover and are used for low flying and generally slow flying aircraft or UAV.

BTW, Indian Army's ageing 40mm Bofors L-40/60s are held in storage - though some have found their way into the Indian Navy and Coast Guard.

Ray

Lunatok,

The Prime Minister is not Vajpayee, it is Manmohan Singh - the magic of the ballot! Here one day, gone the next!

So ringing up Vajpayee will only help him to laugh up his sleeve!

A radar and that too obsolescent does not contribute in any way in the process to make a nuclear bomb, as a rifle would not contribute to the process of nculear fission or fusion!

Lunatock

Never thought I'd say this...but I miss the info from the Pakistani Mullahs

That radar won't help build the nukes per se...but it will make it tought to knock out the plants. If America doesn't, then Israel certainly will. Otherwise everyone in downtown Tel Aviv will start emitting a healthy green glow.

Blademaster

If that statement was so true, then why the hell aren't USA and Bush doing something about ISI and their clandestine operations with Taliban?

What about N. Korea?

As far as I am concerned, Bush and his quote can go to hell when it comes to India's security considerations and interests.

We have seen so many times USA acting contrary to India's security interests and yet claim that USA is a friend of India.

Confed999

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Ray

This thread is like the Pakistani mullahs speaking. They are never far, I assure you.

40mm AD guns are obsolete practically. It is good for UAV and slow aircraft. We have just FIVE batteries!

In today's world of BVR (Beyond Visual Range), Stand Off Capability (where the aircraft locks on beyond Air Defence range) and fires the munition and flips back home, Laser designators, it is only a silly joe who will do a LO Lo Lo configuration attack. Not that it is off the tactics book I will also say.

Therefore, this radar is just a placebo. And to imagine such a lot of brouhaha! It is OK for the media and the Mullahmen, but not for those who understand the military!

I am sure that Iran would not be stupid to build nukes. It would not be in their interest.

Lunatock

First part is half amusing, half creepy. Could just imagine somehow seeing different aspects of myself, and a fundoo being one of them.

Second part makes sense. It seemed rather irkfull that India would be helping Iran out with the much talked about Nuke plants. But they really wouldn't make taking out a reactor by either America or Israel as dangerous as it sounded at first.

Asim Aquil

Advanced radar system????

LOL! I wonder if India will lease them one of their Phalcons!! That wouldn't be too nice. I hope Pakistan doesn't go ahead and share theirs AWACS whenever we get em, its best not to get entangled with the next upcomming biggest conflict...

I don't think that would protect the Iranians from a missile strike either, but it will help move their mobile launchers here n there....

Confed999

Best thing Iran could do is install these things all around their nuke sites. They will light up the passive radar and show the bombers right where to strike.

ChrisF202

I agree, this is going to be harder and harder with each passing day we wait if it comes down to a strike.