Major_Armstrong

See

http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4143

Confed999

If they ask for help, I hope the US does... Good luck...

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redstar2000

If the Iranians are so foolish as to ask for American "help", they'll just get "royally" screwed...anyone know where the ex-Shah's kids are these days? I'm guessing Beverly Hills, but...?

Otherwise, of course, I hope all the Iranians "get a mullah"...and string the bastard up from the nearest streetlight.

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Confed999

Freedom really scares you commies doesn't it?

Major_Armstrong

redstar2000 is a **** head.

mostlymad

and Canada, as well. There's a difference if a country or group asks for help and forces move in and when another country decides they know what's best. Simplistic statement, here, but...

redstar2000

Now here I express support for a popular revolution against the mullahs in Iran -- something that you claim also to support -- and you respond with a smartass remark about communists being "scared" of freedom.

I guess that's why we're always getting mixed up in revolutions against reactionaries...because we're "scared" of freedom.

What are you scared of? Does the thought of a modern and secular bourgeois republic in Iran that nevertheless refuses to submit to U.S. imperialism keep you awake at night?

Wouldn't that be embarrassing?

In fact, a secular capitalist republic in Iran might prove to be an ever bigger pain-in-the-ass to the American Empire than the mullahs ever were.

For one thing, it would point the Arabs in the right direction. Get rid of that stupid religion crap and fight a secular war of national liberation against U.S. and Israeli imperialism.

Pretty "scary", eh?

And what shall we say of you, "Major"?

Simplistic? Yes, I agree.

mostlymad

awww...you're just jealous 'cause the voices talk to me .

mostlymad

redstar, you don't see a difference between a country receiving outside forces because they asked for help and a country where no such help was asked for, but an invading force claims to be there to help?

ZFBoxcar

Asked is a very vague term. Clearly the Mullahs aren't going to ask for help. Which organization that would ask for help are you referring to? Why is their opinion relevant? A "country" is not capable of asking for help.

redstar2000

Precisely the point.

mostlymad

Wow! Touchy people here today! Someone said earlier that if Iranians ask for help, they hoped the US would help. I realize a country can't ask for help, but I also said, earlier, a country or group.

I was speaking in generalities, differentiating between people/groups/ organizations/movements/etc... who ask for help, as opposed to people/groups/ organizations/movements/etc... who have their fate decided by outsiders, without ever, ever having asked for any assistance from outsiders.

As to whether the opinion of a group/nation/movement/ect. is relevant, how can it not be when considering aid. Shouldn't all opinions be examined, considered before acting, lest we act out of ignorance?

ZFBoxcar

Since its written, tone is hard to decifer, but I'm not trying to attack your point, just pointing out a couple logical fallacies, not saying you are completely wrong.

What if the Communists asked for our help against the Mullahs? We can examine all positions, but when it comes to aiding, we should consider the strength and numbers of opposition groups. If its just some exiles who were on top when the Shah was around and want back in, there won't be popular support in Iran for this. We would have to go in for our own reasons, but even if we find a group we agree with, we shouldn't side with them unless they are well liked in Iran. You can find people of all ideological stripes everywhere. The point is whether they are of sufficient importance to Iran to be worth the effort of ousting the Mullahs (and of course, whats in it for us?).

Amled

Will wonders never cease?
I actually agree with this Communist/Marxist Troll?

Nahh... he's back again!

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Confed999

No personal attacks please...
And I express support for giving them help if they ask. Sounds to me like you want them to lose, instead of asking for, and being granted, help.