gunnut

I don't see any reasons more legitimate than what we had in 2003 to invade Iraq.

What has Iran done in 2006 that's more threatening or more grievous than Iraq in 2003?

Iran refused UN inspectors much like what Iraq did, many times.

Iran has not fired on our jets.

Iran has not made plans to kill our former president.

Iran has not violated any cease fire arrangement made with the UN or the US.

If the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was illegal, how can an invasion of Iran be legal?

I am really confused.

I have managed to start every single sentence in this post with the letter "I" except for one.

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Tronic

because they are building the bomb and they openly express their desire to wipe out another country from the face of this planet...

oh yea and Iraq... I am totally against that war... a stupid decision to get tied down in Iraq.... damn the Bush administration!!! how the heck can you guys miss by a whole country!!!

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Wooglin

To be fair, they only missed by a consonant.

Tronic

lol... misplaced the 'n' with the 'q'???

Confed999

Ummmm, some of the reasons being given for Iran, are the SAME ones given for Iraq. Flat out, there is the humanitarian issue that nobody cares about, there is support of international terrorism that a few people care about, and there is "intelligence" that they are attempting to produce WMD. The bad guys in the ME are all the same, and it's hypocritical, at the very least, to support the elimination of one and not the others...

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Tronic

no... Saddam didn't have nuclear reactors or any major nuclear sites to make bombs... Iran does... Saddam DID NOT SUPPORT AL-QUEDA!!! what other terrorists are you reffering to??? and Saddam DID NOT make occasional calls for Israel to be wiped off the map... however what Saddam did provide was a country where the Shias and the Sunnis held posts in office together without the secetarian violence which we are seeing today, and a country in which the citizens had equal rights (i.e. the women and men get equal treatment).... and no public stonings or public floggings took place in Iraq under Saddam... Iranian government is total opposite of what Saddam's government was... and just face it... for Iraq a dictatorship was better then an unstable democracy...

Confed999

He had already done the research for nukes, and could have had a covert program in place to make them. Intel decided he did. Kinda like Iran, are they actually making nukes? You really don't know. Saddam also knew how to make chem and bio weapons.
Well, I guess you don't know much about Saddam. Could start with the MKO, the PLF, and Abu Nidal, though there were others. As to Israel, his reward to the families of suicide bombers who attacked Israel was $10,000 for years, but he raised it to $25,000 shortly before he was kicked out of power.
300,000+ in mass graves ring a bell? The Kurds fighting a civil war? The elimination of the Marsh Arabs? Imprisonment on allegations? Tortures and punishments that included being pushed off the roof of a building, having fingers and ears chopped off, being raped, forced to watch your children being raped? You missed all that as well as much more?
Both sides of the same coin.
And you think it will be better in Iran? LOL

troung

And there is also the Sudan, China, Burma, Zimbabwe and so forth. Iran sure ain't as bad as the Sudan or Burma.

We support the MKO now. People in the current adminstaration opposed Clinton putting them on the terrorist list.

And the funny back story behind Abu Nidal is most of the people they killed were PLO leaders. Other then of course when they were used to pimp Israel, the PLO and Syria in 1982 and helped cause the whole 1982 conflict which prevented Syria from attacking Iraq in that time frame (boy could history have been different).

Do we also invade Turkey?

No one other then the Iranian leadership really do. Their excuse for nuclear power isn't unrealistic and wouldn't be illegal.

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Confed999

Thanks for proving nobody cares about the humanitarian issue.
He insinuated Iraq wasn't supporting terrorists. I gave 4 reasons he was wrong.
He said there was no "sectarian violence" in Iraq under Saddam. I took that out with 2 words, the Kurds.
Bingo, just like Iraq. Which was my point all along...

troung

my mistake should have read his stuff first...

Confed999

It's ok, you and I do that to each other all the time.

Bluesman

Incorrect, even when it's capitalized.

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Bluesman

Not exactly. There were a few Shiites in office, but they did not have any real power, nor were they trusted all that much. They were amoral religious quislings that turned on their own, much like the Vichy French and other collaborationists turned on their countrymen for their own benefit.

As to sectarian violence, well, I'm not sure how you missed the near-genocide of Kurds and Shiite marsh Arabs (certainly the attempt was made in both cases).

Tronic

yea... but Saddams plant got bombed in the 80s whereelse Iran continues to operate their bombs... so I wonder which one is a bigger threat... the people that don't have any major nuclear facility or the people that do have them and are openly involved in nuclear research...
well, there goes that claim...
oh man... America has been generous to dictators who have committed far worse atrocities... generous enough to even send in secret arms shipments...

Iran is a bigger threat then Iraq ever was... I know that much...

Bluesman

Laughable; COMPLETELY risible.

Rape rooms? Uday's predations on any woman he wanted, no reference to any other factor, just that she be female?