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Old 09-03-2006, 11:44 AM   #76 (permalink)
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You mean the Mujahadeen? Al-Q and the Taliban were formed from the remanents of the Mujahadeen, OBL being one of them.
huh? Mujahadeen just means holy warrior... even now the Taliban and Al-Queda call themselves Mujahadeen...

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If your refering to Pakistan as an American allie I wouldn't agree, they are merely a partner on the WOT seeing as they both have terrorists knocking at their gates and as such have common enemy's.
They are a partner on WOT but they are constantly playing both sides... dude.. if Pakistan went totally against Al-Qeuda, OBL would make life hell in Pakistan... the truth is Pakistan still supports terrorists and even secretly funds them... their intelligence agency, ISI, is basically a huge supply line to the terrorists... and the Pakistani government has always bred terrorists... research Operation Tupac... the Pakistanis have always supported and still support terrorism... they even use them to launch attacks against India... research the Kargil war for their most recent wide scale use of terrorists... their whole frikkin country is a terror training camp!!!
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Old 09-03-2006, 11:47 AM   #77 (permalink)
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A war was just fought in their country, and now they're fighting stay free, how could they possibly be better off? France wasn't "better off" after WW2 either, they had been bombed to hell and back. It was years before Europe started to recover.
majority of the Iraqis think that they were better off before the war...

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Fewer than half, 46 percent, say the country is better off now than it was before the war.
before the war meaning Saddams regime...
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Old 09-03-2006, 11:48 AM   #78 (permalink)
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huh? Mujahadeen just means holy warrior... even now the Taliban and Al-Queda call themselves Mujahadeen...
He's refering to the group officially designated "Mujahadeen" durring the Soviet Afghanistan conflict.
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their whole frikkin country is a terror training camp!!!
That's a bit over the top.
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Old 09-03-2006, 11:49 AM   #79 (permalink)
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How does past errors in judgement effect how we should act now? Should we treat Germany and Japan as enemy's for their actions in WW2?
Bot of those counries were brought to justice... Pakistan was awarded with rebuilding of their airforce...
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Old 09-03-2006, 11:49 AM   #80 (permalink)
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majority of the Iraqis think that they were better off before the war...

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before the war meaning Saddams regime...
Yeah, I got it. Reread what I posted and maybe it will make more sense to you the second time...
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Old 09-03-2006, 11:55 AM   #81 (permalink)
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He's refering to the group officially designated "Mujahadeen" durring the Soviet Afghanistan conflict.
yes, OBL became a man without a purpose after the Soviets but as soon as he met the Egyptian dude... his focus shifted from the Soviets to the Americans..
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That's a bit over the top.
neverthless, it is true... most terrorists visit that country before carrying out attacks elsewhere... and Pakistan's own government is the one which continues to let the terror camps operate by simply putting them under different names... and even when Pakistani school textbooks call the rest of the non-muslim world as "Kafirs", how the heck do you expect children in that country to grow moderate??? and btw, do you know Pakistan's ambassador to the Taliban is now their Education Minister??? i'm sure, he'll bring great positive reforms in their education system...
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Old 09-03-2006, 11:56 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Yeah, I got it. Reread what I posted and maybe it will make more sense to you the second time...
oh.. I get it... you're justifying their reason why they are worse off....
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Old 09-03-2006, 12:01 PM   #83 (permalink)
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neverthless, it is true...
The whole country is a terror training camp? No way...
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oh.. I get it... you're justifying their reason why they are worse off....
I'm saying that there is no way you can fight a full scale war on your own soil and be better off immediately. It's simply impossible. I'm surprised and encouraged that the numbers are so high myself.
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Old 09-03-2006, 12:08 PM   #84 (permalink)
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I'm saying that there is no way you can fight a full scale war on your own soil and be better off immediately. It's simply impossible. I'm surprised and encouraged that the numbers are so high myself.
And to go back on topic, the Iranians won't be "better off" after a war either...
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Old 09-03-2006, 12:12 PM   #85 (permalink)
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The whole country is a terror training camp? No way...
I don't know... their system is set up to breed radical minds... not that they are all radical... but its setup that way... for example, when some enlightened Pakistani actress manages to come over across the border and do a movie, mullahs all across Pakistan declare a fatwa against her for kissing some guy and the whole country goes up in arms... now I don't know how you can get more radical then that...

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I'm saying that there is no way you can fight a full scale war on your own soil and be better off immediately. It's simply impossible.
yea, I guess....
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Old 09-03-2006, 12:13 PM   #86 (permalink)
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And to go back on topic, the Iranians won't be "better off" after a war either...
yes they will be... lol... they don't like their mullahs, they'll be extremely happy to kick the mullahs out of power...
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yes they will be... lol... they don't like their mullahs, they'll be extremely happy to kick the mullahs out of power...
In the poll you were quoting, the vast majority of Iraqis think removing Saddam was the right thing too. It's 2 different questions, related only to the fact they exist on the same poll.
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In February 2006, the Pentagon published a study of the so-called Harmony database documents captured in Afghanistan.[62] While the study did not look specifically at allegations of Iraq's ties to al-Qaeda, it did analyze papers that offer insight into the history of the movement and tensions among the leadership. In particular, it found evidence that al-Qaeda jihadists had viewed Saddam as an "infidel" and cautioned against working with him. (See Timeline, February 14 2006).
Your source can't be taken seriously since it doesn't even know who published the Harmony and Disharmony Report. It was published by the Combatting Terrorism Center located 20 meters from my office. I'll give you a hint - I'm not at the Pentagon.
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I'm not at the Pentagon.
you're 20 meters from it?... lol... jkz...
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you're 20 meters from it?... lol... jkz...
20 meters from the Pentagon would be the security screening station, and no, I don't work there. Nice try
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