Confed999

Iran isn't supporting them either...

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Tronic

honestly speaking, even I don't know where the heck I am....

soooo.... brielfly, what i'm trying to say is that Iran should've been bombed first, then if you wanted to go after Iraq, whatever I wouldn't have cared.... but Iran seems more dangerous... since they have got more then one nuclear facility in which we got no clue whats going on... and especially since they clearly got Pakistani know-how on nuclear tech.... the last thing I want to see is another Islamic bomb....

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Confed999

Briefly, that is now, not 2003...

Bluesman

You can post ARTICLES. And if I posted ACTUAL documents, I'd go to prison. So, I can't post doscuments, either.

But this is gospel true: Saddam's Iraq WAS involved with aQ. QED.

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Tronic

just say your government was wrong dammit...........

and heres the 1971 Genocide i'm referring to..... one of the biggest genocides to occur after world war 2... don't know how you missed that one... lack of interest in the rest of the world??? and heres the 1971 Genocide US support
this is the same genocide in which India had to intervene to stop the flow of millions of refugees from pouring into India... the war in which Washington was ready to bomb India in order to stop the Indian advance into Pakistan... and even provided military hardware to the Pakistanis and helped the Pakistani Airforce from getting obliterated by keeping new aircraft pumped in through the Shah's Iran... and all this time refusing to open their eyes to the genocide being carried out by the Pakistanis....


<oh yes and 1971 was before my time too... 17 years before my time... >

Tronic

whatever mate... I don't want to argue anymore... I have public opinion on my side... that is enough for me...

Parihaka

I'm confused. Are you saying that America shouldn't have invaded Iraq, but should invade Iran, Myanmar, North Korea et al?

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Tronic

what i'm saying is... if you want to invade Iraq, sure, go ahead, but please invade the country which is a bigger threat and in this case, I find Iran to be a bigger threat then Iraq was... and you guys are already too late to stop North Korea, they probably already have the bomb.... and Myanmar... well, sure if you want to do India a favour, then attack them and kick out the commies but other then that I doubt they are a bigger threat then Iran's bombs will be...

Parihaka

Yeah but Iraq was the bigger threat at the time than Iran was. Sure Iran is a bigger threat now, but that wasn't the case then, and even America on her own can only do so much.

Tronic

yea maybe... don't know... I still get the creeps looking at the mullahs crying for destruction of Kafirs while their nuclear facilities continue to run in which we don't know what the heck is going on.... they are far creepier then Saddam ever looked....

Confed999

The government here is wrong all the time. I say that a lot too.
Didn't miss it. I'm sorry if it offends you that saying "1971" doesn't ring bells with me.
Judging from this thread alone, you're one to talk.
I do not know of any official support for that action. Now if you mean, support for Pakistan in general, then as I've said many times, I don't think anyone should even talk to them.
Your country's history. If you had spoken of the War of 1812, I'd have known what that was.

Tronic

ok. But 1971....... MAJOR wrong... lol....
Technically, our neighbours history which we took part in... but whatever, same thing...

bandwagon

Saddam was primarily a secular pan-Arabist, in the mould of Nasser and the Hashemite family. These people are characterised by cynically using the notion of a united Arab nation for self aggrandizement. They loathe Islamic fundamentalism, (and vice versa), and Saddam would not have chosen to link up with Muhajideen groups or Al Qaeda. However, that is not to say that they would not associate -whilst holding their noses- if it suited a “higher” purpose. That Saddam’s security forces had contact with them is known. But to invade Iraq for their support for Al Qaeda is a daft notion, particularly as removing the Saddam and the Ba’athists from power would immediately open up Iraq to Al Qaeda.

Modern pan-Arabism is also the primary philosophy against the presence of the state of Israel, although this notion has also since been taken up by modern Islamists. It is not surprising that Saddam supported attacks on Israel. That does not mean he supported terrorism per se, and to invade Iraq as part of the “war against terror” is daft.

Note that before Pan-Arabism was introduced by the Hashemite family -Hussein ibn Ali and his sons Faisal and Abdallah- after WWI, Jews and Arabs co-existed and cooperated in Palestine without too much trouble.

Anyway, Saddam had been much more of a danger to Iran, (always a target for pan Arabists) and his other neighbours. He still claimed Kuwait with the logic that it had previously been part of the Ottoman velayet of Basra. His unrealistic dream was a union with Syria under his leadership, annex the whole of the Levant and the Arabian peninsula. By 2003 he was not a threat to anyone but his terrorised compatriots.

He was never a real threat to the US or UK.

Confed999

Aside from terrorism, the WMD programs, and semi-truck loads of cash, not much... Yet.

Tronic

heres what the arab world thinks...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul22.html