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Old 08-31-2006, 02:53 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I have a theory....

Saudi oil is getting over, hence the artificial shortage being created by the slow Iraq production, and proposed sanctions on Iranian oil. With likely hood $100+ per barrel of oil the Saudi royal family and uncle Bush and oil cronies will make a killing and be laughing all the way to the bank.

Without oil the kingdom will not last long and that is why one even sees a re-arranged middle-east map with a reduced Saudi Arabia to encompass only Mecca/ Medina. As posted in another thread.

So lets not get emotional and propose bombing the Iranian oil fields, it will only drain our own pockets and increase inflation and make life more expensive for our children.

Just look who is profiting from the reduced production of the Iraqi oil fields. So if the nukes are a problem them bomb the nuke projects not on the oil supply.

but I could be wrong too (about the Saudi oil stocks).
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Old 08-31-2006, 04:17 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I have a theory....

Saudi oil is getting over, hence the artificial shortage being created by the slow Iraq production, and proposed sanctions on Iranian oil. With likely hood $100+ per barrel of oil the Saudi royal family and uncle Bush and oil cronies will make a killing and be laughing all the way to the bank.

With oil the kingdom will not last long and that is why one even sees a re-arranged middle-east map with a reduced Saudi Arabia to encompass only Mecca/ Medina. As posted in another thread.

So lets not get emotional and propose bombing the Iranian oil fields, it will only drain our own pockets and increase inflation and make life more expensive for our children.

Just look who is profiting from the reduced production of the Iraqi oil fields. So if the nukes are a problem them bomb the nuke projects not on the oil supply.

but I could be wrong too (about the Saudi oil stocks).
I oil reaches $100 a barrel expect to see large scale production of hydrogen technology within 5 years. 10 years after that expect to see hydrogen at half the initial mass produced cost. 20 years and we'd be paying to keep oil underground.
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Old 08-31-2006, 06:52 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Which would in turn dry up alot of paid factions in Iraq and Lebanon. I would bet we would see almost instantaneous calm in the Middle East.
Iran is currently a contributor to the terrs in Lebanon and Palestine, but then they are just one part parat from Syria, Saudi Arabia and a whole bunch of charities based in the west and the middle east countries allied to the US/UK.

The drying up of the Iranian economy will not harm the Palestinian finances.

BTW nice to have you back after quite a gap.
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Old 08-31-2006, 06:54 AM   #49 (permalink)
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I oil reaches $100 a barrel expect to see large scale production of hydrogen technology within 5 years. 10 years after that expect to see hydrogen at half the initial mass produced cost. 20 years and we'd be paying to keep oil underground.
I'll be using home made biodiesel. Hence, my next car will be diesel powered.
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Old 08-31-2006, 07:55 AM   #50 (permalink)
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To be honest, the longer it takes for us to manage to extract our shale-oil and sand-oil the better.

That way we use up as much ME oil as we can before we switch to our own supplies.

Then they're(Islamists, Chinese, etc) over the barrel buying OUR oil.

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Off topic a little, I’ve gotten in very heated debates over bombing the Japanese especially here in hippy ville Amsterdam. One days death toll on Iwo Jima not even on the main islands is enough to justify American actions. They got off scott free as far as I’m concerned and have NEVER formally apologized. Until their Emperor gets on his knees and bows his head in shame and apology as is THEIR tradition that nation has not said sorry, period. Firebombing them killed waaaay more of her people and they wouldn’t budge and it took two nukes to figure out that to continue was to have their entire race wiped out. You’d think the first would have been enough, wasn’t the second dropped two or three days later? More than enough time I say.

While I like their culture and hope to go there I will stand up for anyone who bags on the Japs about the war fully until I see an apology from the Emperor himself.

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Old 08-31-2006, 11:47 AM   #51 (permalink)
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BTW nice to have you back after quite a gap.
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:03 PM   #52 (permalink)
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...I will stand up for anyone who bags on the Japs about the war fully until I see an apology from the Emperor himself.
Oh good grief. WW2 is over. Japan lost, they surrendered, they were occupied, and they were rebuilt.

They have apologized over and over. Now they are our allies and friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ssued_by_Japan

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Our quarrel with Japan is long past.
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:52 PM   #53 (permalink)
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all you guys are concentrating on one thing.... to bomb Iran's economy and make lives miserable for Iranians... do you think that is even going to matter to the mullahs sitting at the top??? Our enemies aren't Iranians its the people sitting at the top controlling them... bomb the nuclear facilities and let the Iranians live in peace or if you want to help them out; then help them topple their government... but I don't see what would you get out of bombing their economy and making the lives of ordinary Iranians miserable...
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... do you think that is even going to matter to the mullahs sitting at the top???
It would matter when the mobs arrive at the steps of the government with torches and rocks, lol.

It's a race- most Intel assessments predict that Iran will self-reform in 15-20 years with no intervention. The mullahs know if they can provoke the US into attacking Iran, it will solidify their hold on the country. This is their best bet wrt that provocation.
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Economy does not matter when one wants to build a bomb.

Pakistan Prime Minister said, "Pakistan will eat grass, but we will build the bomb".

They built the bomb, though I am not too sure that they ate grass. But they were nearabout the area since their economy was tottering!
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Don't blow up the neighbourhood!
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I don't think it's grass, but some of the Pakistanis here have got to be taking something, probably LSD or mushrooms.

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Old 09-01-2006, 00:01 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Don't blow up the neighbourhood!
Lol...its not that dangerous sir, any veg oil with ethanol in about 20-25% gives you biodiesel.
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It would matter when the mobs arrive at the steps of the government with torches and rocks, lol.

It's a race- most Intel assessments predict that Iran will self-reform in 15-20 years with no intervention. The mullahs know if they can provoke the US into attacking Iran, it will solidify their hold on the country. This is their best bet wrt that provocation.
yes... but when will those mobs arrive??? the only mobs that we see now in Iran are the ones that gather at places public stonings or public floggings take place... the people are oppressed and will continue to be... even if we shouldn't help them militarily then maybe financially... i'm not for violence against the rule either... but.... first... the opposite parties have got to be supported financially... that is the first front that has to be opened... the diplomatic front... the overthrowing of the Iranian government by force should only take place when all other means have taken place and failed... which they probably will...
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I don't think it's grass, but some of the Pakistanis here have got to be something, probably LSD or mushrooms.
Aha! so that is the type of "grass", Zulfie, my friend, was speaking about!
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