Anon

Wow, yet another leftist invented term to demonize their opposition.

How original...

Anon

I agree ENTIRELY.

That is EXACTLY what i'd do, and i think.......i'd be doing it ALREADY.

Bluesman

'Neo-con' is code for JOO, or their henchmen. Joos always have henchmen. Right, Poptart?

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Popgun

I suggest you try to find out, because a lot of your countrymen vote for them.

It was ‘invented’ to describe those who hold a certain set of beliefs which amount to a political ideology, not to demonize them. Through their own actions, they have proved themselves deserving of demonization.

Pathetic.

Confed999

ne·o·con·ser·va·tism also ne·o-con·ser·va·tism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-kn-sûrv-tzm)
n.
An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s.
Neat, now I know what it is, but I still don't see any problems with that...

Honestly, I still think anyone who uses the term seriously is a nutter...

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Anon

I suppose i would be labeled as one of these ubiquitous "Neo-cons". So i wish to know, do we at least have a theme song?

Bluesman

I've noticed that lots of Brits say 'pathetic' when they run out of arguments. It's a lot like the Valley girl's 'Whatever', coupled with the eye roll. When intellectually bested, pretend to rise above it all with a dismissive word and gesture, thereby relieving you of the chore of unpainting yourself from your corner, but without actually admitting you've got no rejoinder or point to make.

Easy and clean. Dishonorable and weak, too, but always at hand.

Bluesman

No, but you should see our cool treehouse.

Zhang Fei

I'm trying to figure out how that's different from traditional conservatism. The guys who are now calling themselves "realists" aren't actually realists. Actual realists got 100,000 Americans killed in Korea and Vietnam, invaded the Dominican Republic, Grenada and Panama and financed and spent tens of billions of dollars training and equipping anti-Communist forces all over the world. True realists occupied German and Japan for decades just in case the two countries decided to revert to their old ways and stationed medium range nukes in Europe over the protests of millions of European demonstrators. Realists don't pray for good outcomes - they plan for the worst-case scenario and act robustly to prevent them, even when the cost is tens of thousands of American lives.

Popgun

If you think that changing my name from Popgun to Poptart is ‘intellectually besting’ me, then I say again – that is pathetic.

And, what does this mean exactly?

Anon

WTF, we have a treehouse!?!?!?!?!?

I've oppressed my full quota of 3d world minorites dammit, why don't I get to play in the treehouse!?!?!?!

This sucks...

Tehehehehe.

Anon

To wit, apparently we are your intellectual superiors. I know exactly what it means.

You let me know if you change your mind about that tissue. I am feeling particularly compassionate on this fine day...

Popgun

I repeat - AGAIN - changing my name for a cheap laugh, which is what i called pathetic, is not 'intellectually besting' me.

You are missing the point sniper - I want to know what bluesman meant by this sentence:

Anon

Ho hum...no, i WAS talking about that part.

Yield sir, our superiority is unassaillable...

Shek

Not quite right. If you want to look at "true" realists, you need to look at Nixon-Kissinger-Ford and Bush 41. Detente, recognition of "red" China, and basic realpolitik define "Realism." "True" realists would have approached the Cold War from the perspective that Mr. X outlined in Foreign Affairs, not from the ideological perspective that actually emerged as defined by NSC-68, etc.

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