Anon

No, it would have to be a 10,000 punch beat down.

Many, many thousands of combat sorties over many weeks.

The problem is finding the stuff to begin with. To say that the program is 'dispersed' would be a truly massive understatement.

HistoricalDavid

Might the F/A-22 see action or is it still too early?

That's what I thought, along with the fact that each site is probably quite well dug in, requiring more than one planeload of bombs to disable it.

astralis

confed999,

sorry, i disagree. to use an economist's terms, it is a mistake to do so when the opportunity costs of doing so exceeds the benefits.

to put it in another way,

everyone would like a new BMW. but if you pay $10,000,000 for a BMW...you've just made a mistake.

Horrido

I would imagine you would see the F-22 in the initial air supremecy and SEAD roles. They are technically active duty, now, and the military likes to get new equipment in for actual battlefield testing ASAP to see what works and what doesn't.

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Confed999

You're allowed to disagre. If you think money is more important than people, well, that's your gig. In terms of right and wrong though, you're making the mistake...

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astralis

confed999,

just because i used an economist's terms, doesn't mean it is about money. it's not about money. and you haven't really answered my argument, like i said, removing a dictator is certainly good, but at what cost?

in another historical sense,

getting rid of stalin would be good. but without stalin hitler wouldn't have been defeated.

Officer of Engineers

I don't know if that would be correct. Churchill was determined to bring Hitler down.

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Anon

It's operational, so sure, in fact, i am sure that it would be at the very tip of the Aerial spear.

Anon

Hitler declared war on the US when the Japs attacked the US, so there is no way Hitler was going to be around for very long, Stalin or no Stalin, Churchill or no Churchill.

Officer of Engineers

Bill,

In all your research, have you ever read why Hitler declared war on the US? That's got to be the dumbest move of all dumb moves, even from that time period. Admiral Yamamotto read the US right. I find it hard that Hitler read the US so wrong.

Anon

The best i've ever come up with is that he was hoping that by declaring war on the US the Japanese would reciprocate and declare war on/attack the Soviets, thereby opening a second front.

Understandably the Japanese wanted no part of that, and this IMO caused them to stand pat, thereby leaving hitler flapping in the breeze with his prick in his hand.

Shek should have a good take on this, being a West pointy boy n'all.

Dreadnought

IMO Hitler could have literally been unstoppable had he and the Japanese done more for each other except share some military information. Hitler had no intention of declaring war until his newest capital ships were ready for the Kreigsmarine which would not have been until 44-45. He did however make the stupid move of invading poland which forced the British to declare war years earlier then Hitler anticipated. Good thing they did Hitler would have had an even more powerfull navy by the time 44-45 rolled around and quite possibly unstoppable.

Surprisingly the Japanese would not even share technology for the Yamatos with Germany. They kept Germany in the dark over their latest naval tecnology and being partners in a war facing the Allies i found that surprising. Leads me to believe they didnt trust one another very much even know they were on the very same team. As far as reasons why you guess is as good as mine.

Dreadnought

On the above topic. IMO dont bomb them. Grab the man with the mouth and his regime/mullahs and drop them in the heart of an Israeli slum. Then destroy their means to create weapons. Give the innocent time to evacuate. Dont create more casulties then what is necessary to do the job rite the first time. Because lord knows we and the west will be the bad guys all over again.

lwarmonger

No, Hitler's invasion of Poland was an economic necessity for him. Germany was critically short of foriegn currency at that point, and German expansionism was dictated largely by economic need (additional currency, raw materials, ect). Without conquest, Germany couldn't keep up its spending for very long, and the overheating economy would have collapsed long before 1944-45.

Probably best for the Germans that the Japanese didn't share the Yamato ship designs with them. Hitler may have been inclined to build one or two, instead of mass producing much more useful equipment (like submarines).

Dreadnought

No, Hitler's invasion of Poland was an economic necessity for him. Germany was critically short of foriegn currency at that point, and German expansionism was dictated largely by economic need (additional currency, raw materials, ect). Without conquest, Germany couldn't keep up its spending for very long, and the overheating economy would have collapsed long before 1944-45.

Agreed he needed money and resources to power the ever growing war machine he created. But from what I have read he didnt want to go to war with England until his ultimate Navy was ready. The invasion of Poland completely changed this as Englad declared war. Thank God he didnt get the time to build it. However the amount of subs Germany had made operational during those years was staggering and they extracted a very large toll on the Brits and Allies men and supplies. Just think of how much equipment still to this day sits at the bottom from convoy attacks by subs,raiders,planes.