Vaman

...Why Iran needs nukes Or
...Why Iran needs to be nuked

A brief timeline to its current crisis

*Standard warning/disclaimer : I know just the mention of "oil" would get some spitting "conspiracy theorist" and other such invectives this way, but I am still going to risk this. If you have an extremely disagreeable aversion to this, please stay away.

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World War 2 : Britain occupies most of Iran, ostensibly to protect oil supplies to Russia and preventing oil-fields getting into the hands of the Germans. The ruling Shah is forced into exile and his son is put in place by the British forces.
After the war, Britain retains control over Iran's oil through British Anglo-Iran Oil Company.

1951: A democratically elected PM Dr. Mossadeq (yes, they did have a fledgling democracy!!), attempts to nationalise Irans oil assets. He also attemps to institute democratic reforms and limit the absolute power of the Shah, raising the heckles of the British and the Americans.

1953: The rising tension between the Iranian nationalists and the British and Americans culminates in a CIA sponsered coup overthrowing Mossadeq and gives absolute power to the Shah.

The Shah rules with a iron hand, others would call the regime "oppressive". He modernises Irans industry, particulalry its oil industry, at the same time becoming more autocratic by curbing civil liberties. The suppressed Iranian populace, particularly its youth, turns to religion to seek solace.

1979 : A disenfranchised and frustrated population led by religious leaders finally manages to overthrow the Shah's regime, which comes to be known as the Iranian revlution. Unfortunately for the British and the Americans, this means loss of control over oil supplies. The western world only gets to see the Inranian hostage crisis on their TV sets.

1980 : After the loss of Iran, the US begins to support another "strong" leader in the region who goes by the name of "Saddam". The western press touts him as a modern, secular leader (sounds familiar?), standing up to the religious fanatics in the region. Iraq initiates a debilitating 8-year long war which costs a million lives and approximately 1.2 trillion dollars.

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Vaman

Fast forward to the present...
If nukes were the only thing to keep it free from foriegn manipulation, should it granted to them?

I for one wouldnt begrudge it.

indianguy4u

That is a lame excuse yaar. They are signatory to NPT, so all they deserve all the consequence if they come out of it. Being NPT signatory, they have all the rights along with responsibilties of the treaty. The illiterate mullachracy doesnt desrve our support. Let the ummah come for it rescue.

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Parihaka

Any country who leaders say my people should be wiped off the face of the earth, and no I'm not talking about Jews here but Anglo-Saxons, can go **** themselves with a big stick. They can also go **** themselves with a big stick for wanting to wipe the Iraelis off the face of the earth also.

Sameer

It is rare that a state that calls itself civilized, in fact the most cultured Islamic state, can actually call for the destruction of Israel and others and even worse question the truth about the holacaust. Only retards would and I for one would be happy to support any action taken against such an unstable state.

Parihaka

The only thing that scares me is that we in the west have a habit of going overboard with these things, once we get involved in all out warfare, it's hard to hold the guys back. We need a little bit of the Jedi emotion control stuff. Go for the bad guys, leave the people to their own devices. We don't even need to stay in there. Kill the rulers, destroy the plants, leave the infrastructure alone and get the hell out and let them rebuild it themselves.

Vaman

Like I was attempting to point out, the genesis of the mess was created by foriegners themselves...way back some 50 years ago.
The jedi self restraint stuff would have worked wonders back in the 1950s Iran, if the Brits and the Americans had allowed a true form of democracy to take root in that country.
Instead they thrashed it completely, supported a dictator leading to the chain of events to the present day where Iranians would never trust westerners.

bull

Its how u go about in getting what u want.
thats exactly where Iran has faltered.Their leaders doesnt seems to learnthe lesson from the ruins they see on either part of their borders.

Taking on the mighty west,with pure ancient rhotoric is pathetic.
But now since they have done it,let them get what is presctibed by the west.

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Vaman

Hows that different from how Pakistan or Nor Korea got it?

Parihaka

Pardon me while I cover myself in ashes and beat myself with a coarse wet sack. Ah that's better, now about the present situation, you got anything to offer other than 'it's all Britain/Americas fault'? It serves you right? or 'na na nana na, I told you so'?
Have you ever heard the adage, "now look what YOU made me do?" It's used to excuse ANY actions on your part because of some past percieved injustice. It's not our Fault we want to destroy Isreal and her people, it's your fault because you were mean to us

Vaman

Yes I have heard of the said adage.
Its also often cited by those who have never taken responsibilty of their own actions,
stating it to be irrelevant simply because its in the past.

indianguy4u

Let them live or perish, it will be there fault. This time they have given opportunity to americans to come & get them, not the other way round, as the case was with iraq.

ZFBoxcar

Sure we deserve some blame for Iran's present situation, but are we supposed to let that blame take the form of our destruction? We owe the Iranians for screwing around with their government in the 50s, but the current Iranian government is not the one that deserves to collect (in the form of nuclear weapons).

Parihaka

No it's not. The adage doesn't even mention the past, except to use the past as an excuse for actions now. Try reading it again.

When you stand before God on judgement day he will not judge you on what others do, but on what decisions YOU made, what actions YOU took. Blaming your actions on others 'making' you do it won't cut the mustard. By your logic Iran has every right to work toward the destruction of Israel because America and Britain were mean to them some time in the past. The responsibility for any actions taken against Israel will be Irans, not Americas, not Britains. If you've been bullied in the sandpit that doesn't give you the right to go out and bully in turn.

Parihaka

He is such a caricature that I am almost convinced that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a CIA plant.