that claim is about real as coca cola is the kalma when you chop and change it....
Yes, except in Saudi Arabia, where women are not even allowed to drive. I know a few arab professional women doctors, lawyers, journalists etc.Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal
To assume all arab women are illiterate is folly. Like I said before these women can be quite feisty.
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "
"Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."
Sir Winston Churchill
Ray Sahib, you are killing us with those mega posts about Islam. And double posting at that!
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "
"Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."
Sir Winston Churchill
True for most arab women as well. The burkha has been so deeply entrenched in their conciousness that it is very difficult for them to let go.
If one looks at it this way, even a saree worn by an Indian woman or a sarong by a Malaysian or a Salwar suit by a pakistani woman may appear strange. After all the burkha is similar in its purpose, essentially clothing albeit over done.
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "
"Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."
Sir Winston Churchill
Islam grows through propogation and procreation. Conversion is also a part.
Most arabs have not less than 5 children. I recently met a guy in his late 50's who was distributing sweets for his 13th child. He said it was Allah's will.
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "
"Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."
Sir Winston Churchill
So does it go by social status at all? For example, would families (men) from more wealthy, more educated families be less strict with their wives than lower class individuals?
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No not really. If they are wealthy they are more likely to be strict in interpreting Islam, since then they would also have the power to enforce the favourable (to them) provisions with their wealth.
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "
"Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."
Sir Winston Churchill
Monk,
You have a problem if I post on Islam?
Obviously, they have to be long since one cannot post half baked stuff or can one?
You would know Islam like the back of your hand, but would others?
Anyway, what is your suggestion? Spin some yarn and call that Islam?
It's seemingly a person-by-person basis in both cases THL. There isn't some grand liberation movement for the women of KSA by the women of KSA, but there are other Muslims countries that trying to force the Saudi Chador on the women can lead to a real quagmire.
Also in the case of the Muslim male who claimed women are on the same level as a small child intelligence-wise...I don't buy that. Personal experience to the contrary, and if I did think that way there'd be a line of women who'd want to share a piece of their minds starting with Asya, ending with who knows what woman, and countless numbers inbetween I'd imagine.
can i just say modern day muslims and islam is a mess that muslims can barely understand let alone the rest of the world.
It's true....sometimes i get angry at peoples repsonses to things, like earlier in thie thread, but then you think.....wtf.....how are they to know what you know.....and even after that you still say and think the same thing they do...
so to anyone i offended, sorry....bad mood, fastings getting to me, not the lack of food, but the lack of sleep....lol
Lunatock: So eriously speaking a convert muslim woman told you that love doesn't exist....who told her that?? I hope you told her otherwise bro.
Also with regards to marrying a widow, it's considered a praiseworthy act amongst Pakistani society to marry a widow....as in our society most women find it very difficultt o fend for themselves as the opertunity is not there for them.
I don't know who spreads these other "hadiths"...
LOL, Ray Sahib you completely missed the point, i was ribbing you for educating us like a headmaster.
Secondly, one of your posts on the subject i think has come through twice.
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "
"Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."
Sir Winston Churchill
Monk,
Appropos Sex and Islam
The sad part is that you all did not see my opening remarks that I do not like the syntax of the authour.
Do look at the contents.
Some may not be correct, but mostly they are very scientific, if one shed one's bigotry.
I don't agree with many things of Islam as I feel that they are out of tune with the modern world, and yet there are excellent stuff that are relevant even today.
I ask all to sift the wheat from the chaff.
Maybe there was a double post. Could not help it. The article was too long and no matter how much I tried to reduce the content, the message came "you are allowed X number of words and you ar elklowed only Y" and so this chip chop messed up where one finished and where one started!
Sorry if you got bored since you know all being in Oman.
How are the boys?
My unit doctor went there on deputation and he has much to narrate!
A British Major was sent back home pronto!
Last edited by Ray; 12 Oct 05, at 20:59.
No she didn't say that. Some fundoo she spoke to said that newly converted women should seek to get married as quickly as possible along with all the other woman hating vitriol he spewed.
Ray sahib, I am certainly not an expert on Islam. My knowledge is quite limited to what has been explained to me and a little bit of the Qu'ran I have read. To claim I am an expert would be crazy. Hell I can't even claim to be an expert on my own religion, Hinduism.
But I think these things are better learnt by personal readership in the form of books. Which you seem to have accomplished Ray Sahib.
The boys are doing quite well sir, Well exercised and vigorous.How are the boys?
Which year was this Sir? I hope you will be able to share the details here.My unit doctor went there on deputation and he has much to narrate!
A British Major was sent back home pronto!
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "
"Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."
Sir Winston Churchill
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